Should Greenwood be allowed to play for us again?

Is he a good guy?

No - I don’t like him at all

What about Tony Adams drink driving a car through a wall?

Could have killed innocent people and yet he was welcomed like a hero back to the team

If we got rid of all #@&%!heads we would be playing 5 a side

Either we follow the law or we don’t.

Let him play.

Heath, you are plummeting in my estimation on a daily basis atm.

Just because the case was dropped because key witnesses refused to testify does not mean the law worked.

Originally Posted by My Name is Heath

Is he a good guy?

No - I don’t like him at all

What about Tony Adams drink driving a car through a wall?

Could have killed innocent people and yet he was welcomed like a hero back to the team

If we got rid of all #@&%!heads we would be playing 5 a side

Either we follow the law or we don’t.

Let him play.

There’s a difference between COULD have doing something and actually doing something.

He hasn’t been declared innocent The charges have been dropped due to withdrawal of evidence . If it went to trial and he was found not guilty then fair enough , welcome him back with open arms.

But they’ve been dropped not because he was found innocent but because of evidence/witness withdrawal.

Heard the audio tapes when it first came out and it was horrific.

Originally Posted by dunk

Heath, you are plummeting in my estimation on a daily basis atm.

Just because the case was dropped because key witnesses refused to testify does not mean the law worked.

Personally I think using the law as the backbone of your moral decisions is pretty weak.

We live in a world where some of the most reprehensible beings are protected by the law.

Think for yourself man.

What if it was your daughter this happened to, Heath?

Originally Posted by My Name is Heath

Is he a good guy?

No - I don’t like him at all

What about Tony Adams drink driving a car through a wall?

Could have killed innocent people and yet he was welcomed like a hero back to the team

If we got rid of all #@&%!heads we would be playing 5 a side

Either we follow the law or we don’t.

Let him play.

you're a strange bloke these days

I put 'No' without hesitation.

However, I entirely expecting someone to put forward an argument on here why he should, and then being swayed and finding it, like most things, to be more nuanced.

Page and a half in - nothing even close.

I heard the clips - don't care where he goes, never want to see him in a Utd shirt again.

I can’t un hear that recording.

Not for me Jeff.

Originally Posted by RedNick80

I put 'No' without hesitation.

However, I entirely expecting someone to put forward an argument on here why he should, and then being swayed and finding it, like most things, to be more nuanced.

Page and a half in - nothing even close.

I heard the clips - don't care where he goes, never want to see him in a Utd shirt again.

100% this. Dropped charges doesn’t mean he was innocent. Now if it comes out in the next few days or weeks that for whatever reason, the recording was some weird role play kink, or she was lying or whatever il change my tune.

I don’t see why she would originally press charges and go public with those videos if they weren’t true . What he said was horrific.

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

100% this. Dropped charges doesn’t mean he was innocent. Now if it comes out in the next few days or weeks that for whatever reason, the recording was some weird role play kink, or she was lying or whatever il change my tune.

I don’t see why she would originally press charges and go public with those videos if they weren’t true . What he said was horrific.

Not sure she pressed charges.

Originally Posted by armchair

Not sure she pressed charges.

I meant go to the police and report it.

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

I meant go to the police and report it.

Again, not sure she did.

Originally Posted by armchair

Again, not sure she did.

So who did?

Didn’t her mate release the audio and pics on social media and it became a case to answer from there?

Ordinarily, if not actually found guilty of the crime, I'd think he should be free to resume playing, but in this case, we've actually heard some of the evidence and it's difficult to ignore.

Whilst not actual proof of rape, that audio strongly suggests he was an abusive @#%&!. Unless the audio was proven to something other than what it appears to be at face value, I don't see how he can play for the club again.

The best solution for everyone is for him to be sold to a foreign club as soon as possible. Tricky one for the club to handle in the meantime. Do they allow him to train etc?

Originally Posted by goldfinger II

Ordinarily, if not actually found guilty of the crime, I'd think he should be free to resume playing, but in this case, we've actually heard some of the evidence and it's difficult to ignore.

Whilst not actual proof of rape, that audio strongly suggests he was an abusive @#%&!. Unless the audio was proven to something other than what it appears to be at face value, I don't see how he can play for the club again.

The best solution for everyone is for him to be sold to a foreign club as soon as possible. Tricky one for the club to handle in the meantime. Do they allow him to train etc?

This is the only thing that will exonerate him for me. Something has to come out where it shows the audio wasn’t what it was at face value. If that doesn’t happen you have to bin him. I’m sure the Saudi league or turkey or some place would take him

Originally Posted by dunk

Didn’t her mate release the audio and pics on social media and it became a case to answer from there?

Doesn’t somebody have to report it officially? I was assuming it was reported (even if it’s from her friends, the police would contact her and say would you like to proceed) she could have said no back then and we wouldn’t be here . however she did as we have it drag on for so long ?

I’d imagine a member of the public reported it, then it has to be investigated.

She must’ve cooperated to some degree to get to the point of charging him, as they’re not going to waste time if there’s never a realistic prospect of conviction. They must also have convinced he’d been up to serious no good.

Proving it is the bitch in these cases as it’s so often he said/she said, concrete evidence is few and far between.

I’m not sure whether the evidence released on social media would be much use as everyone has seen it and it colours the case somewhat?

Originally Posted by dunk

You spelt infuriating wrong.

hmmm.... infuriating.

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

He hasn’t been declared innocent The charges have been dropped due to withdrawal of evidence . If it went to trial and he was found not guilty then fair enough , welcome him back with open arms.

if it went to trial, he would be found not guilty. the cps said there is no reasonable chance of a conviction.

that doesn't change how you feel, but that's the law.

Originally Posted by dunk

Proving it is the bitch in these cases

It must be so demoralising being a woman, knowing that if you’re attacked you can’t report as you’ll find everyone will be on your attackers side, can’t prosecute as there is never enough evidence and your life will be ruined twice over.

The CPS also said new material had come to light. Intrigued as to what that is.

Originally Posted by dunk

It must be so demoralising being a woman, knowing that if you’re attacked you can’t report as you’ll find everyone will be on your attackers side, can’t prosecute as there is never enough evidence and your life will be ruined twice over.

it must be demoralising know that you can't make choices for yourself without other people questioning them.

if she doesn't want to pursue the case, it's dead. do you know that she wanted to pursue it, but there wasn't enough evidence and everyone was on his side? pretty sure that's not accurate.