Do we really have enough players capable of playing for United?

When I compare the players that play for Atletico Madrid, Bayern München, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, I can only see at the most, 7 players are good enough for United; DDG, Luke Shaw, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Timothy Fosu-Mensah and at a stretch Daley Blind.

The following players aren't good enough with given reasons.

Wayne Rooney : He doesn't have the passing ability, guile, tackling ability and technical ability to shield the ball to play in the center midfield. The best he could do, is to play as number 9, but he doesn't have the pace to do that either. If you look at Benzema, Müller, Zlatan, Greizmann, Lewandowsky, Suarez, Aguero etc., each of them possess at least some of the outstanding attributes that make them match winner. Right now, we only have Martial and Rashford that come anywhere close to these great players, Rooney is million miles away. He should be shown the door right at this very moment.

Ander Herrera : Yeah, a fan favorite, but rubbish at passing, often giving the ball away, hardly great at defending, non-existent in creating any chances. Nowhere nearly as good enough as the likes of Saul Niguez, Arturo Vidal, Ivan Rakitic etc. So, should be got rid.

Schneiderlin : The only thing he is good at is defending, yet often he fails to do even that. A United team needs a CDM who can pass the ball forward to create chances, just like Monsieur Carrick used to do at his prime and even does at times these days. United should have the likes of Marco Veratti, not someone as limited as Morgan Schneiderlin.

Depay : The epitome of rubbish-ness. Passing, shooting, shielding the ball, dribbling etc., good at absolutely nothing on the pitch. The only thing he is good at apparently is doing fashion and going to gym, but he lacks the quality of Beckham to actually do something productive on the pitch.

Smalling : People might rave about him but the okay-ish defensive record that we have this season is mainly down to DDG and Daley Blind. Smalling is a rubbish passer and often makes mistakes which lead to penalties or own goals. I'd rather have one of Diego Godin or Jose Maria Jimenez in my team, but the positive thing is I believe Fosu-Mensah will prove himself good enough for United. He is already a very good passer, all he needs to do is to eradicate his rashness.

Matteo Darmian : Seems like a decent chap, but I don't think he's good enough to play for a United as a RB, even if I'm one of his fans. After seeing for Torino and Italy, it's seems to me that he's good as a RWB for 5-3-2 formation, where you have more freedom to attack and an extra defender to protect you if you can't go back to your defensive position quickly enough. In a backline of four defenders, you have to be quicker at going back. He lacks the energy, discipline and crossing ability of Gary Neville. He even makes another ordinary player like Antonio Valencia look decent.

Jesse Lingard : He's a decent-ish player for midtable teams like Everton, but not for United. If he is to stay at United, he must improve his shot accuracy, dribbling ability, passing accuracy.

Juan Mata : At least Jesse Lingard has some pace to go for him, poor Mata doesn't even have that. His dribbling isn't great, nor is his chance creation. He doesn't even have the eye for a pass like a proper number 10 should have. He is also easy to knock off the ball. There's a reason why he has never won a league title in Spain or in England. League title requires consistency, compactness and high quality performances. Mata has never really been consistent in producing high-quality performances. Yes, he shows moments of brilliance, but that's not enough at United.

Schweinsteiger : He was past his best, that's why Bayern let him go. I live in Germany, I work here. I know how shrewed Germans are. They rarely do anything before analyzing the consequences. They knew Hargreaves was over, they knew the same with Schweinsteiger.

Rojo : Reckless in defending, rubbish at crossing, no position sense whatsoever. Need to be shown the door right away. I can't really understand why LVG keeps playing Rojo when Cameron Borthwich-Jackson is fit. It's a tragedy that Luke Shaw had to be injured, it's an even bigger tragedy that his replacement has been this ridiculous Argentine.

Fellaini : All he does is winning some header at the front end of the pitch and at times in defensive corners. Other than that, he is an ordinary passer, a nonsense tackler, a red card waiting to be shown and at the very best clumsy on the ball when running with it.

I can go on and on about other players, but you already know they aren't good enough. Having said that, I'd keep Michael Carrick for his experience for the young players. I'd only keep the 7 players I mentioned at the top and promote more youth from the academy and try to lure as many young players like Saul Niguez, Riyad Mahrez, as possible, while also trying to sign some experienced stars like Zlatan, Greizmann etc.

It's no wonder our team languishes at the 5th position. When you have such a poor squad, you can't really win anything if you have pretty much expired a manager like LVG at the helm. You need a motivator like Diego Simeone or Sir Alex Ferguson to win.

Can't argue with much of that TBH

Didn't read much of that TBH

Think you might need a username change pal...

Just taken an amazing shit TBH.

Originally Posted by dragflick

Think you might need a username change pal...

lol tbh


absolutely loved the insight into Germans and their shrewdness, and how it relates to Schweinsteiger. Real in-depth analysis

i cannot approve of using 'pro evo' abbreviations to designate positions.

'ooh yeah, he plays as a LWB but i see him more as a LWG or even a LCM'

GTF.

You like Blind. GTFO.

I've not seen anything from BJ that makes me think he'll be good enough for united.

Blind is a squad player at best. Valencia is a decent squad player so is keep him around.

Smalling is close to being good enough for the first team and is worthy of a spot in the squad.

The rest can £#%&! off.

Rooney's "passing ability" is top class. It's his brutal touch that causes difficulties when the ball is pinging around at pace in tight spaces. In terms of picking out the pass only Carrick is better in our team. Look at the goal yesterday, he'd butchered his own chance but still had the presence of mind to pick out the runner.

That there actually was a runner was something of a novelty for us these days.

That's as far as I got btw. Is the rest of it so full of misinformed whining?

Originally Posted by Lok

I've not seen anything from BJ that makes me think he'll be good enough for united.

Blind is a squad player at best. Valencia is a decent squad player so is keep him around.

Smalling is close to being good enough for the first team and is worthy of a spot in the squad.

The rest can £#%&! off.

Borthwick-Jackson is just 18 and already one of the best crossers in the team, I have rarely seen him making any positional mistake apart from the one against Chelsea. For an 18 year old, that's impressive.

Just because Daley Blind is 5'11" and physically looks slight doesn't mean he is rubbish. His positional sense and the reading of the game is better than most in our team, I can only see Carrick as a better reader of the game. If he was not there, Smalling would look even worse. Smalling is always a mistake waiting to be happening.

Remember, defending isn't always about last-ditch defending or tall height. The greatest of them all, Franco Baresi, rarely made sliding tackle and was only 5'9".

Originally Posted by Lok

I've not seen anything from BJ that makes me think he'll be good enough for united.

Can't disagree with most of that, this is where we are under Van Gaal, we are miles away from being contenders against the best teams in Europe. They have somehow got us to the FA cup final, admittedly with an easy draw passage and there's a slight chance of us finishing fourth, but not because we've been good, it's because the teams above us have been average at best. We need a radical change in direction and we have that chance with the best manager in the world currently available and wanting to come to us, which if we get him, he just might sort out the mess we are in.

Originally Posted by andyroo

Rooney's "passing ability" is top class. It's his brutal touch that causes difficulties when the ball is pinging around at pace in tight spaces. In terms of picking out the pass only Carrick is better in our team. Look at the goal yesterday, he'd butchered his own chance but still had the presence of mind to pick out the runner.

That there actually was a runner was something of a novelty for us these days.

That's as far as I got btw. Is the rest of it so full of misinformed whining?

Just because he is makes one or two decent long passes to the wingers or full-backs doesn't mean he is good enough. We need a passer like Iniesta or Tony Kroos or Luca Modric. Rooney is by no means anywhere close to them. Carrick, at 35, being better than Rooney doesn't say much positive either.

The truth is that the whole team lacks any creative midfielder at all, which is why we create few chances, if at all. 44 goals in 36 games prove that.

You tell me if it is full of misinformed whining? Would any of these players take a place in the starting XI of the teams like PSG, Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern or even Man City? Just compare these players with the players that play for them, you will have the answer. What special thing did Herrera do for Athletic Bilbao to justify a place at United? How does he compare with Ivan Rakitic, the player who was the talisman for a Europa Cup winning Sevilla?

What is playing for United? Given they get paid to represent the club then yes they are.

Originally Posted by bigMikeA

He might turn out decent, but is he really going to be a world class player? It doesn't look likely.

Originally Posted by Darmian_fan

You tell me if it is full of misinformed whining? Would any of these players take a place in the starting XI of the teams like PSG, Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern or even Man City? J

De Gea
Smalling
Blind (better than mangala and that clown otamendi)
Shaw
Martial
Rashford


All of the teams you mentioned would take DDG and Martial in a heartbeat. All of the teams you mentioned would love the likes of Tim-Fo and Rashford on the books.



I take your point but you're not illustrating it particularly well, particularly with regards to City - a team we're one point behind despite our 'disastrous', 'awful' etc season

Originally Posted by Lok

He might turn out decent, but is he really going to be a world class player? It doesn't look likely.

You're absolutely mental. How many players at that age do turn out 'world class'? Does he really need to be world class to make it at united, what's your definition of world class? Do we need a team of world class players? Were Gary Neville, Nicky Butt etc 'world class'?

He looks exceptionally composed on the ball, doesn't jump into tackles and can actually pass. That'll do for me at 18. And his competition is Rojo

Originally Posted by Darmian_fan

Just because he is makes one or two decent long passes to the wingers or full-backs doesn't mean he is good enough. We need a passer like Iniesta or Tony Kroos or Luca Modric. Rooney is by no means anywhere close to them. Carrick, at 35, being better than Rooney doesn't much positive either.

The truth is that the whole team lacks any creative midfielder at all, which is why we create few chances, if at all. 44 goals in 36 games prove that.

You tell me if it is full of misinformed whining? Would any of these players take a place in the starting XI of the teams like PSG, Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern or even Man City? Just compare these players with the players that play for them, you will have the answer. What special thing did Herrera do for Athletic Bilbao to justify a place at United? How does he compare with Ivan Rakitic, the player who was the talisman for a Europa Cup winning Sevilla?

Like I said, I didn't read it. The first point was bullshit, maybe the rest of it is sage genius.

Originally Posted by bigMikeA

De Gea
Smalling
Blind (better than mangala and that clown otamendi)
Shaw
Martial
Rashford


All of the teams you mentioned would take DDG and Martial in a heartbeat. All of the teams you mentioned would love the likes of Tim-Fo and Rashford on the books.



I take your point but you're not illustrating it particularly well, particularly with regards to City - a team we're one point behind despite our 'disastrous', 'awful' etc season

You misunderstood what I wrote. I talked about the players who are to be shown the door, not those 7 players. Apart from Smalling you included almost all of those 7 players in your list.

I disagree with you about Smalling. Smalling isn't better than Otamendi and Kompany. Because of Otamendi and Kompany, Smalling won't have a place in first XI. It's due to the unbelievable DDG and a decent Daley Blind, Smalling looks so good, in reality he's worse than Jonny Evans. Evans at least was a decent passer, injury ruined his United career.

City may be only 1 pts ahead of us, but they reached the semis of the best cup competition in the world and won the league cup. They had a much better season than we did.

FWIW, City at least play entertaining expansive football, they scored the most number of goals in the league. Defensive football that we play is only acceptable if we are lot more successful with that, not when we score 44 in 46 games and languish at 5th in the league and get knocked out of the first round in UCL.

Originally Posted by bigMikeA

A genuinely £#%&!ing ridiculous comment. He's impressed everytime he's played ffs