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Definitely an improvement on the last two to come through the doors, and I would be gutted if it didn't work out overall, but unless he gets that glint back in his eye and shows some real passion, some enjoyment for the job, I am just not sure it will work out for either him or the club and would wish him all the best. (at least that's how it seems from someone who no longer goes to many games or watches every minute of every match and press conference) . |
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also, you say fergie is united through and through, but some would say he put his own personal and financial interests ahead of the interests of the club on a number of occasions. so.... no. |
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How old is he now? Still on the gravy train. How much $$$$$$$ does he need? Never had a rapport with the fans beyond the obligatories.... Awesome manager and grateful for the trophies. |
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stability and continuity in the short-term was important. if fergie had led, the fans would have followed and the deal would have collapsed without management or cash flow. banks aren't stupid. soz. |
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Am also not quite sure how he was supposed to have managed the football side of things whilst orchestrating an anti-takeover campaign against people who were already (in effect) his employers, as you have suggested he could have done. He would surely have risked the sack had he done that and for what gain? Just so someone else that was more popular with the fans could have come along and bought us? Maybe he should have just said 'if the Glazers take control, I walk', but thank God he didn't. He stuck around and led us to yet more glory (5 more Premier League titles, overtaking the scousers in the process, 3 League Cups, a Champions League and a World Club Cup to boot). Given the fact that there's no way he could have stopped Magnier and McM@&%! selling to who they liked (Glazers or A.N.Other) and then what he went on to achieve, in hindsight I think he made the right decision - both for himself and the club. |
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the point is that no one could take over the club without the acquiescence of the fans. and the glazer acquiescence was really based on not seeing how there was any palatable alternative (down to misdirection of shareholders united, for example, and narrow field of vision); it certainly wasn't due to wanting the glazers. fergie had the platform to provide an alternative, but not the wisdom. I don't blame him for that; he's just a football manager. again with the history lesson. are you saying that, if fergie had been allowed to spend the money the club generated and the club hadn't had to feed the debt, that we'd have been less successful. a bold statement. maybe you think moyes, king louis and mourinho having one leg tied behind their back has been good enough, too? funny that the wonderful socialists on here are all for re/nationalising everything, but can't see past the ends of their noses when it comes to united. |
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As for the acquiescence of the fans, I'd suggest speaking to those lifelong reds who walked away to set up FC Utd. And in spite of all kinds of protests that were planned (and taking place) at the time and constant anti-takeover reports in the media, the Glazer's still got their money, the demand for tickets was still there and people who hated the new owners still went to games (including myself when I lived in Manchester). The idea that Fergie should have got up on his pedestal and led a fan revolt which put the ownership of the club back into the hands of the fans (presumably what you are implying should have happened) is very romantic, but all a little bit unicorn, especially given the fact that he'd had heart problems not long before. It would have been amazing, yes, but considering the circumstances, just not very realistic Jem . And whilst his hands (along with his successors) may have subsequently been tied, there's no way you or anyone else can say with certainty that we would have been able to consistently outbid our PL rivals in terms of player acquisition had they not been. Anyway, no point in keeping this thread off track. I stand by my opinion that Fergie bloody loves Manchester United and is part of the fabric of the club. Who wouldn't want a manager in the same vein to be in charge of us now? I still hope it will be Jose, but just think he's been coming across as more interested in his own success (both in terms of trophies and personal wealth) than he is of that of the club's. |
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I wasn't saying you personally are a socialist, but was speaking of the collective. this was not unicorn. it was absolutely practicable. it just required explanation in simple terms to an audience with an open mind. oh.
also... another history lesson. yes, the glazers got their money because the protests were the wrong kind of protests - ultimately a distraction which really only served to reinforce the perception that there was nothing that could have been done. |
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Same will happen post-Mou. Will the next man see Lukaku as his type of striker? Hopefully, as it's a big investment. That said, as much as I don’t have any love for Mou or faith in the logic or reasoning of the club, if they still believe in Mourinho then surely in theory the best idea would be to offer him a reduced extension, say maybe one year, which would give him two years left and essentially mean he’s halfway through. Then back him again in the market and tell him he just has to compete for the title next year. No excuses, no complaining about City’s spending, just do what you came here to do and compete for a title. I don’t think he could really have any complaints. He wasn’t hired to beat Southampton in Carling Cup finals; after £300m spent the results progress doesn’t distract from how mediocre a side we really look. This is a huge challenge at a crucial point of his career. What would concern me most would be the club just giving in and offering him a long-term contract out of fear or lack of other ideas. Even many of his fans are concerned he doesn’t warrant quite that much trust or dependence. Let him earn his future here; again - he needs us as much if not more than we need him. |
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I’m sure you’re right, Baz. Not the point though. But still.... his goods outweigh the bads. Edwards was the real culprit with this lot. Can of worms etc cba. |
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