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Unread 03-08-2019, 12:25 PM
redhegemony
 
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If it's 4-2-3-1 assume at the moment Martial is 9.

The two is from McJocky, Pogba, Andreas, Fred and Matic.

The three is from Rashford, James, Mata, Lingard, Greenwood, Gomes.

Add a centre mid and Pogab can move up add a 9 and Martial comes back. Those 2 signings make a huge difference given the versatility of the players.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 12:27 PM
dunk
 
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But Matic’s legs are still gone and Fred, The Scottish Player and Pereira are unknown quantities at best.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 12:34 PM
redhegemony
 
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McRobson and Andreas could sit with Pogba in the middle of the 3 in front. Rashford and Martial outside him with a proper 9 who makes runs would be potent.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 12:39 PM
dunk
 
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McRobson and Andreas could sit with Pogba in the middle of the 3 in front. Rashford and Martial outside him with a proper 9 who makes runs would be potent.
Reckon you’ll be right where we were last season with that; leaky and impotent. Unable to dominate games.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 01:16 PM
Coracao
 
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A lot of games to get through as you woulf expect us to progress in Europe.

Wonder how many games Garner will get. Be unusal for a player of his age to get quite a few starts in midfield
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 01:56 PM
jem
 
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If we sign Fernandes then I don’t think it’s looking too bad in there
The Scottish Player looks ready to take his game onto another level and if we get someone like Fernandes in then it would take a lot of the creative burden off Pogba
Would still prefer to sign a proper defensive midfielder as The Scottish Player is more a box to box player for me but I suppose you can’t sort everything in one window

The midfield squad options would be questionable
Matic really is done, Fred is talented but is very erratic and can Pereira finally re-produce his pre-season performances during the actual season

If we don’t sign Fernandes or someone like him then yeah it looks really thin in that area
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Originally Posted by redhegemony
If it's 4-2-3-1 assume at the moment Martial is 9.

The two is from McJocky, Pogba, Andreas, Fred and Matic.

The three is from Rashford, James, Mata, Lingard, Greenwood, Gomes.

Add a centre mid and Pogab can move up add a 9 and Martial comes back. Those 2 signings make a huge difference given the versatility of the players.
pogba cannot play in a defensive two. not sure I'd even play him in a three. we need a midfield that doesn't rely on him contributing to its shape. then he can go and do whatever the £#%&! he likes. which is the only way to play him.

and matic and pereira are fine.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:06 PM
Clownbones
 
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Their shit strikers and CM’s can score and dominate against Barca because the midfielders are shit?

Honestly, they fit in the system but all are primarily good footballers who can do a bit of everything. Non are making top 5, or even 10 in the World but they’re not far off. We’ve got 1 potentially top 5 and the rest not even making top 25-50



Fernandes, Longstaff (or someone of his ilk) and keep Pogba and you’re in.
No, i mean the likes of Divick Origi is fundamentally a bit shit, but give him the right platform and play to his strengths and play him in a side with positivity and a plan and he can do.

Same as the midfielders.

Henderson is average. Always has been. He's nowhere near top ten in the world. Even liverpool fans dont like him.

He works hard and they're all singing from the same sheet.

Any one of them would crash and burn in any of the United sides of the last few years.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:33 PM
dunk
 
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No, i mean the likes of Divick Origi is fundamentally a bit shit, but give him the right platform and play to his strengths and play him in a side with positivity and a plan and he can do.

Same as the midfielders.

Henderson is average. Always has been. He's nowhere near top ten in the world. Even liverpool fans dont like him.

He works hard and they're all singing from the same sheet.

Any one of them would crash and burn in any of the United sides of the last few years.
Nah, Fabinho and Milner have proven themselves elsewhere too. Reckon Keita will be a different animal for them this season as well. Henderson is above average, wouldn't want him anywhere near United, but would be an immediate upgrade on all current midfielders that aren't Pogba. That says it all.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:34 PM
Sparky***
 
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Well apparently Pogba has decided to be a slapped arse because his Madrid move hasn't materialised.

So it looks like our central midfield options will be Matic, The Scottish Player and Fred.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:40 PM
dunk
 
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Well apparently Pogba has decided to be a slapped arse because his Madrid move hasn't materialised.

So it looks like our central midfield options will be Matic, The Scottish Player and Fred.
And Pereira.

We're £#%&!ed without a midfield, regardless of what's in front or behind it tbh.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:41 PM
Sparky***
 
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And Pereira.

We're £#%&!ed without a midfield, regardless of what's in front or behind it tbh.
Well 3 players who are utterly £#%&!ing useless and The Scottish Player who has limited talent but works like a trojan.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:44 PM
ZiggyStardust
 
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Well apparently Pogba has decided to be a slapped arse because his Madrid move hasn't materialised.

So it looks like our central midfield options will be Matic, The Scottish Player and Fred.
We won’t sell Pogba without replacing him with at least 1 top midfielder
Can’t see him leaving this summer though
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:53 PM
Red Santos
 
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We need a couple of quality centre-midfielders regardless of whether stays or goes
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:55 PM
utd99
 
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CM was even more a priority than CB for me. If Pogba stays then Ole has pretty much bet everything on him accepting a deeper midfield role and playing with the discipline that demands. Sceptical of that over a full half.
Corrected.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:56 PM
dunk
 
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We need a couple of quality centre-midfielders regardless of whether stays or goes
This.

If he leaves I'd want 3 of..

Milinkovic-Savic
Fernandes
Lo Celso
Longstaff

Or equivalents tbh.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:58 PM
andyroo
 
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We won’t sell Pogba without replacing him with at least 1 top midfielder
Can’t see him leaving this summer though
Really? What in his United career so far could possibly have told you to prepare for anything but the worst?
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 02:58 PM
Clownbones
 
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Nah, Fabinho and Milner have proven themselves elsewhere too. Reckon Keita will be a different animal for them this season as well. Henderson is above average, wouldn't want him anywhere near United, but would be an immediate upgrade on all current midfielders that aren't Pogba. That says it all.
Forgot about Fabinho, but even he struggled for large parts of last season.

Don't you 'nah' me in to admitting Jordan Henderson is good, Sonny Jim!

We may not agree on the individual quality of each player, fair enough, but do you agree that they flourish/look better because they're in a harmonious side?
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 03:00 PM
dunk
 
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Forgot about Fabinho, but even he struggled for large parts of last season.

Don't you 'nah' me in to admitting Jordan Henderson is good, Sonny Jim!

We may not agree on the individual quality of each player, fair enough, but do you agree that they flourish/look better because they're in a harmonious side?
Oh of course they do. But they have the advantage of being better players to begin with.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 03:00 PM
utd99
 
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Forgot about Fabinho, but even he struggled for large parts of last season.

Don't you 'nah' me in to admitting Jordan Henderson is good, Sonny Jim!

We may not agree on the individual quality of each player, fair enough, but do you agree that they flourish/look better because they're in a harmonious side?
And give 100% every minute of every game. An overlooked attribute IMO.
 
Unread 03-08-2019, 03:04 PM
Clownbones
 
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Oh of course they do. But they have the advantage of being better players to begin with.
I'm not entirely convinced they are. We see them in a good side. We see ours in a crap one. It's hard to even compare.

Stick any one of them into that shitshow at Brighton last season, for example, and they'd look as lost as anyone.

They are also balanced. We aren't. Just a group of misfits of several managers failed attempts.

Fingers crossed we see something a little more settled and working towards a clear plan

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And give 100% every minute of every game. An overlooked attribute IMO.
Yep. They work their arse off.
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