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Unread 14-08-2022, 01:07 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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2 games? Didn't you watch last season? What is the point of sticking with the same players who keep letting you down time and time again? It's the definition of insanity.

He could easily play a team consisting of the new signings, a sprinkling of the youth and the few at the club who haven't massively let us down. We might finish mid-table but we're going to anyway. Then bring in players who have a bit of fight in them and the qualities we need.

There is literally no point playing Rashford, Maguire, Shaw etc... Nothing is going to magically change with them.

Honestly; would you rather see Rashford or Garnacho? It's an easy answer every time.
Again, thereís a distinction between what I want to see as a fan and what he has to do as coach. I agree with you. I donít think these players will turn it around. I would rather see Garnacho, but we can think like that. ETH canít. Heís a coach with a set of players in front of him that he has to work with. Heíll have an idea of what theyíre like from previous seasons, but he didnít manage them then. They didnít directly let him down. And as I say, every manager does this. No manager changes half the squad in the first few weeks when theyíve signed only three players.

And Iím sure we will see changes as the season progresses. I expect us to sign one or two and I expect to see some of the players letting us down now to lose their place to the direct replacements currently in the squad. If we get 3-4 months in and heís still picking the same 11 and theyíre making the same errors, then thatís on him.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 02:43 PM
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Good.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 02:55 PM
jem
 
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Who are the ‘midfieldersí jem?

Donít say Garner ffs
um..... ok, you got me.

mcfred in a two doesn't work. individually, none of fred, mct or garner is good enough for united. however, in order to pick a more balanced team, they should all play.

do we have better players? yes. do we have better midfielders? no.

martinez is meant to be able play dm, too.

the point is.... you can't just play your best players. eriksen, bruno, ronaldo, rashford, sancho, martial.... have to be rotated.

similarly, if we are going to play ronaldo (we shouldn't), we need players who can cross accurately and quickly. not to play on the break. however good ronaldo is (currently, more dead than eriksen), if we want to play some kind of pressing and fast-breaking game, he will be a passenger. can he play sweeper?

10h needs to get mct and garner to grow a pair. each.

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we had two thirds possession, double the passes and 20% higher pass accuracy. of course they ran more.

our headless chickens can run faster and further, but..... still no clucks given.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 02:55 PM
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Unread 14-08-2022, 02:57 PM
ZiggyStardust
 
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I think we knew this year has been relegation form so far

If this goes on much longer and we donít make serious changes in terms of ins and outs then this could descend into a death spiral
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 02:59 PM
dunk
 
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I think we knew this year has been relegation form so far

If this goes on much longer and we donít make serious changes in terms of ins and outs then this could descend into a death spiral
A season in the Championship could be fun tbf.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 03:11 PM
jem
 
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A season in the Championship could be fun tbf.
essential. maybe two.

but only if the glazers f*** off.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 04:10 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Christ, weíre doing badly enough in our actual league without having to make one up.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 04:11 PM
Whip Hubley
 
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martinez is meant to be able play dm, too.
according to whom, given our manager, who was his previous manager, said he can't?
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 04:12 PM
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Everybody knows the team is shite, players need hanging , and the glazers need to f*** off already.
One thing I noticed yesterday

De gea. Ferguson signing

Dalot. Jose singing

Maguire. ole signing

Martinez ETH (not an issue the new manager should have players )

Shaw .lvg signing

The back 5 each had a player that was signed from 5 different managers
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 04:13 PM
redhegemony
 
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How are we going to score any goals?
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 04:14 PM
NedKelly
 
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Four players should be dropped immediately: DDG, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford. Plenty more could also be dropped but at least these four have instant replacements that would improve the team. Would also send a message for the future.

I'd also not block the door if Ronaldo wants out. He's still one of the best we have but of it's not working, it's not working.

If Erik doesn't show balls over the next 2-3 weeks then he's going to have to take a big part of the blame for everything that comes his way. I thought we were getting some stubborn manager who does things his way and isn't afraid to throw in younger players. Not so far.
Havenít read anything beyond this tbh. Itís the only post that matters. Bang on. Sublimely put. Perfectly worded. Says everything I want to say, but better.

Get rid of those 4 dribbling little morons. Would also appreciate Erik announcing in the next press conference that heís here to win trophies, not to feed children, hopefully with Rashford sat next to him.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 04:45 PM
red in cumbria
 
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There is no keeping them onside. Ole did everything to champion them and support them and they still did it. To mr f***ing cuddly club legend Ole. They'll have no hesitation doing it to EtH.

He has to stamp his authority and be fearless of the repercussions. It's the only way he can win. Mou tried it but the board backed the players. If the club make the same mistake again then there's no fixing it.
A completely criminal act. Almost literally.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 05:03 PM
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Four players should be dropped immediately: DDG, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford. Plenty more could also be dropped but at least these four have instant replacements that would improve the team. Would also send a message for the future.

I'd also not block the door if Ronaldo wants out. He's still one of the best we have but of it's not working, it's not working.

If Erik doesn't show balls over the next 2-3 weeks then he's going to have to take a big part of the blame for everything that comes his way. I thought we were getting some stubborn manager who does things his way and isn't afraid to throw in younger players. Not so far.
Have only skimmed through because itís too depressing but this above caught my eye.

He has a balancing act at the end of the day - a hugely expensive non performing squad - he canít just drop them all and create rifts that can never be repaired - heís got to find a way of getting these c***s to perform whilst the club supports him finding their replacements. That will take time.

However, he has to make a statement and dropping those 4 absolute fannies is a good start.

I wouldnít bother playing a striker against Liverpool - just stifle the game. Feels very Mou like but weíre absolutely in the gutter here and itís damage limitation.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 05:15 PM
red in cumbria
 
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But that's the point: he doesn't.

He didn't have to let Henderson go. He didn't have to sign a midget centre back. He didn't have to name Maguire as his captain. He doesn't have to persist with Shaw. He could play Varane. He could play the kids and gain credit and time from the fans.

These are all his choices.
This is one that genuinely puzzles me, ngl.

I know the captaincy doesn't really "matter", but that's exactly why it was a relatively easy opportunity to make a symbolic statement.

Which he passed up on.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 05:17 PM
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A completely criminal act. Almost literally.
A fair few fredsters agreed with Wooward doing that iirc?

Seemed crazy at the time. In hindsight was gross negligence.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 05:21 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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This is one that genuinely puzzles me, ngl.

I know the captaincy doesn't really "matter", but that's exactly why it was a relatively easy opportunity to make a symbolic statement.

Which he passed up on.
Thereís nobody worth taking it off him for. If there was a standout candidate, fine, but having Maguire keep it allows for someone to actually step up and emerge as the true candidate. If he gave it to someone else and they just became a problem, itís a much bigger climb down to change it then.

He wonít be in the side for much longer. At which point theyíll have a good reason to take it off him.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 05:22 PM
Hyman_Roth
 
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This is one that genuinely puzzles me, ngl.

I know the captaincy doesn't really "matter", but that's exactly why it was a relatively easy opportunity to make a symbolic statement.

Which he passed up on.
Well itís also odd to come into a club, ask who the captain and say, Ďyouíve got to be f***ing joking haven't you?í and pick someone else.

Heís dealing with a very fragile situation and itís a balancing act.

Dropping the captaincy from Maguire is something he can do at the end of this season imv.
 
Unread 14-08-2022, 05:25 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Well itís also odd to come into a club, ask who the captain and say, Ďyouíve got to be f***ing joking haven't you?í and pick someone else.

Heís dealing with a very fragile situation and itís a balancing act.

Dropping the captaincy from Maguire is something he can do at the end of this season imv.
This. Itís all well and good saying it makes a statement, but whatís the statement if you give it to:

Bruno - been shite for a year
DDG - been shite for three years and is a massive fanny
Ronaldo - wants to leave
The Scottish Player - please

Nobody deserves it. So leave it as it is and hold that one in reserve for further down the line.
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