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Unread 11-01-2022, 12:41 PM
shenwen
 
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Rangnick is here to lay some foundations of a proactive style of play. He won't be manager long enough to fully implement it but the next manager joining in the summer should benefit from this six month tenure. People can scoff at the pedigree of the coaching appointments and I would expect some first team players to look at them and think it is beneath them to be coached by guys from the MLS. But we hired Rangnick to go down a different route of football that other top clubs have been doing for years so you have to trust his judgement on this. Young players like Elanga who will run through brick walls to make it at United should get more opportunities because they are certain to follow the instructions.
Agree with all of that. Especially Elanga
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 12:49 PM
Lok
 
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We're so bad and so far away from where we need to be that it feels impossible we'll get there.

Bringing in new managers - failed
Bringing in expensive new players - failed
Bringing in exciting youngsters from around the world - failed
Director of football - failed

The club are trying all sorts of shit but nothing, absolutely nothing seems to work. It just gets worse.

I can't imagine many of us would be too disgruntled if we literally got rid of every player and coach and just started again. How much worse could it really be?
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 01:00 PM
Danoli
 
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I donít think we were as bad last night as some people are making out. It certainly didnít feel like that watching the game.

We should have been 3 up after 20/25 minutes with more clinical finishing from Rashford and Cavani.

We continue to put ourselves under pressure with some inexplicable mistakes, the imposter Lindelof being one of the chief culprits.

There were positives; Bruno, Dalot, Scotty and Varane. I felt we played much better compared to the Newcastle, Norwich and Wolves matches.

I certainly believe we can beat Villa on Saturday particularly as McGinn will be missing for them.

Itís certainly not great at the moment but I feel we can salvage something from this season. A 3rd round victory in the cup has been the catalyst for this before.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 01:02 PM
believe
 
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Watched the game earlier and didnít really see anything I didnít already know. However, what I did see for the first time is how shit vdb is. Thereís a passage of play around 80 minutes where he looks like a lost school boy. Not sure if thatís a product of whatís happened to him at United but he looked like a competition winner being on the pitch for the first time in his life.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 01:03 PM
dunk
 
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VdB is never making it in a proper league. Just not physically up to it, weak and slow.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 01:09 PM
Lok
 
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Watched the game earlier and didnít really see anything I didnít already know. However, what I did see for the first time is how shit vdb is. Thereís a passage of play around 80 minutes where he looks like a lost school boy. Not sure if thatís a product of whatís happened to him at United but he looked like a competition winner being on the pitch for the first time in his life.
He is absolutely useless. He runs around lot and throws himself into people but he's well out of his depth.

People blamed Ole 3 managers in and none of them fancy him at all.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 01:41 PM
redhegemony
 
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DvdB looks lost like a 15 year old chucked into an adults game.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:02 PM
windy waffles
 
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But we should be building a side around VdB?

He played in the Ajax team which got to a semi final...

 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:04 PM
Zorg
 
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Always got a panicked look on his face too. 'Oh no, what do I do?'
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:10 PM
20LEgend1999
 
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Best goals per minute ratio in the Premier League though, so he's got that going for him...
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:20 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Originally Posted by Lok
We're so bad and so far away from where we need to be that it feels impossible we'll get there.

Bringing in new managers - failed
Bringing in expensive new players - failed
Bringing in exciting youngsters from around the world - failed
Director of football - failed

The club are trying all sorts of shit but nothing, absolutely nothing seems to work. It just gets worse.

I can't imagine many of us would be too disgruntled if we literally got rid of every player and coach and just started again. How much worse could it really be?
Yep.

Weíve said it all along, but nothing will change until the owners do.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:49 PM
Dasilvatwins
 
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I think itís really shit. But nothing bringing in 5 players and shipping 8 wonít solve with the right manager.

Think this will go on for some time so I hope Ralf Rangnick actually has a role at the club at the end of the season. We desperately need a couple CMs a CB and a new RB and LB.

Maybe if we are lucky we have one or two academy players who can fill the boots ? Maybe signing one CM and using an academy CM . Bringing up alvaro FernŠndez and laird as back up .

The core is rotten. Confidence is down. That will only come with wins. Right now we just need to win and not concede. Forget about the performance. Iím trying to be as optimistic as I can, even though I depise most of the squad.

Last night the team played as it did because they just arenít good enough. Mcfred arenít good enough. Lindelof shaw and dalot arenít good enough. The last three at best should be 2nd choice full backs and 3rd choice CBs

Rashford needs to a goal desperately or a break . Greenwood shooting looking back wasnít great lack of power and intent but Iíd tell him to keep trying. The players need goals and need lifting up.

The only way we can salvage this season is if we ship out 2 or 3 in Jan and sign atleast one CM. Itís not asking a lot. He doesnít even need to be the finished article/ CM messiah. Just an improvement who can do a job like a Haidara/kessie or zakaria. Then in the summer we go again for rice or Bellingham .

I donít know if mejbri can play as a number 6? On FM he is a ď DM/AMC ď I know it isnít much but if he can pass he is an improvement on mcfred.

One thing I noticed if you watch any old game on MUTV Anderson/scholes/ carrick theyíre always looking when they donít have the ball. Over their shoulder, behind them to the left or right of them. When they donít have the ball.

Mcfred never look around once. It makes all the difference in the world being aware of your surroundings . Our CM never does once
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:55 PM
92ToBury
 
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But we should be building a side around VdB?

He played in the Ajax team which got to a semi final...

Yet wasn't seen as good enough to start against us in the Europa final.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 02:59 PM
Dasilvatwins
 
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We're so bad and so far away from where we need to be that it feels impossible we'll get there.

Bringing in new managers - failed
Bringing in expensive new players - failed
Bringing in exciting youngsters from around the world - failed
Director of football - failed

The club are trying all sorts of shit but nothing, absolutely nothing seems to work. It just gets worse.

I can't imagine many of us would be too disgruntled if we literally got rid of every player and coach and just started again. How much worse could it really be?
I think a big reason for this is because the big players came under LVG and Jose. The younger players under ole. The current manager hasnít signed any of them. And the DOF hasnít had total control of the club and only been here about a year?.

No consistency in the leadership for us. No matter what happens they have to send rangnick upstairs with actual power in the summer. Otherwise we are just p***yfooting around as usual
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 04:19 PM
windy waffles
 
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Yet wasn't seen as good enough to start against us in the Europa final.
Because he is bobbins.
 
Unread 11-01-2022, 04:24 PM
92ToBury
 
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Because he is bobbins.
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