SAF speaks at Jimmy Reid's funeral

marvellous speech that, Sandman.

Hints toward the education and rejuvenation of the 'bewildered herd', something that would take a generation or more to acheive. THe damage inflicted since '72 - year of my birth - seems insurmountable when you witness the likes of the jeremy kyle show.

Would love to believe we aren't completely lost to the corporate lie.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

so let me get this right. people are so thick that they think socialist values prohibit the realisation of dreams and the fulfillment of potential? further, should any individual attain their goals or achieve their ambitions then they can no longer hold socialist values, shall no longer be able to revisit their past or feel part of their own history, and should never be held up as any kind of example or inspiration to those communities...


good on Fergie anyway. he has a rich and varied circle of friends from all walks of life, and the stories of the time he always has for those less fortunate than himself, particularly at all levels of football, are completely true. the number of youngsters he has helped to progress both as people and as professionals, making full use of the rich umbrella of opportunity that is the banner of Manchester United Football Club is a credit to himself, his family, to the club and to the city of Manchester itself.

No one is suggesting that people with socialist principles should not be allowed to do well in life. On the contrary, I'm not one of the people who hate people because they have done well, that's usually the commies like those on this thread.

SAF is a hypocrite, on the one hand he plays his ex-union card to make him seem like one of 'you' and on the other hand he sides with the Glazers who are pricing the working man out of the game they love. In addition to that, he does his best to undermine any protest the working man may try to make. He doesn't practice what he preaches but that has nothing to do with the fact he's a multi-millionaire and everything to with the fact that he's helping the Glazers price the working man out of OT. Still, you're one of the ones who puts his fingers in his ears and refuses to hear anything that doesn't agree with your warped view of the world. Open your eyes you daft @#%&!.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

No one is suggesting that people with socialist principles should not be allowed to do well in life. On the contrary, I'm not one of the people who hate people because they have done well, that's usually the commies like those on this thread.

SAF is a hypocrite, on the one hand he plays his ex-union card to make him seem like one of 'you' and on the other hand he sides with the Glazers who are pricing the working man out of the game they love. In addition to that, he does his best to undermine any protest the working man may try to make. He doesn't practice what he preaches but that has nothing to do with the fact he's a multi-millionaire and everything to with the fact that he's helping the Glazers price the working man out of OT. Still, you're one of the ones who puts his fingers in his ears and refuses to hear anything that doesn't agree with your warped view of the world. Open your eyes you daft @#%&!.

well done. seven sentences, and each one total %@#$&!s. possibly a record, even for you.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

well done. seven sentences, and each one total %@#$&!s. possibly a record, even for you.

So Fergie's not siding with the Glazer's? As I said, open your eyes.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

No one is suggesting that people with socialist principles should not be allowed to do well in life. On the contrary, I'm not one of the people who hate people because they have done well, that's usually the commies like those on this thread.

SAF is a hypocrite, on the one hand he plays his ex-union card to make him seem like one of 'you' and on the other hand he sides with the Glazers who are pricing the working man out of the game they love. In addition to that, he does his best to undermine any protest the working man may try to make. He doesn't practice what he preaches but that has nothing to do with the fact he's a multi-millionaire and everything to with the fact that he's helping the Glazers price the working man out of OT. Still, you're one of the ones who puts his fingers in his ears and refuses to hear anything that doesn't agree with your warped view of the world. Open your eyes you daft @#%&!.

I'm not, fwiw, completely unsympathetic to this argument.

However, there's always the possibility that Ferguson sees the prospect of himself being ousted from the club by his reaction to a temporary regime as being counter-productive. We're not privy to the same kinds of information he almost certainly is, given his uniquely privileged position at O.T.

Maybe he has a date for their £#%&!ing off? Maybe he has a plan to join in a consortium bid after retiring? Who the £#%&! knows?

You can only speculate as to his motives. I'm not sure calling him a '@#%&!' is called for. (like people do)

Originally Posted by reem

marvellous speech that, Sandman.

Hints toward the education and rejuvenation of the 'bewildered herd', something that would take a generation or more to acheive. THe damage inflicted since '72 - year of my birth - seems insurmountable when you witness the likes of the jeremy kyle show.

Would love to believe we aren't completely lost to the corporate lie.

Ever the optimist, I hope that what is coming will wake at least a few people up

Originally Posted by reem

I'm not, fwiw, completely unsympathetic to this argument.

However, there's always the possibility that Ferguson sees the prospect of himself being ousted from the club by his reaction to a temporary regime as being counter-productive. We're not privy to the same kinds of information he almost certainly is, given his uniquely privileged position at O.T.

Maybe he has a date for their £#%&!ing off? Maybe he has a plan to join in a consortium bid after retiring? Who the £#%&! knows?

You can only speculate as to his motives. I'm not sure calling him a '@#%&!' is called for. (like people do)

You're giving him the benefit of the doubt on every point. SAF isn't forced at gunpoint or with the threat of the sack to speak in such glowing terms of the the Glazers. He has done it time and time again. Just accept it, he doesn't give a £#%&! about the poor supporters. Just like he backed the congestion charge in Mcr which would have priced poor people off the roads. He's a great manager but he sold his principles out long ago.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

You're giving him the benefit of the doubt on every point. SAF isn't forced at gunpoint or with the threat of the sack to speak in such glowing terms of the the Glazers. He has done it time and time again. Just accept it, he doesn't give a £#%&! about the poor supporters. Just like he backed the congestion charge in Mcr which would have priced poor people off the roads. He's a great manager but he sold his principles out long ago.

He isn't "forced" to do anything, quite true, and some of the stuff he comes out with does make we wince a bit

But ever thought, like reem said, that he is taking a longer term view? Some day (hopefully) soon, the gimps will be gone - and he has to preserve his legacy as best he can thinking about his successor?? If he has to say a few somewhat insincere things in "support" of the Glazers in the meantime, he no doubt judges that a price worth paying........

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

He isn't "forced" to do anything, quite true, and some of the stuff he comes out with does make we wince a bit

But ever thought, like reem said, that he is taking a longer term view? Some day (hopefully) soon, the gimps will be gone - and he has to preserve his legacy as best he can thinking about his successor?? If he has to say a few somewhat insincere things in "support" of the Glazers in the meantime, he no doubt judges that a price worth paying........

Maybe you're right. This 'price worth paying', does that include pricing poorer fans out of being able to go to United? He doesn't say the basics to answer the question in the Glazer's, he goes out of his way to praise them and undermine the United fans stance. You can pretend all you like that he's secretly against them but if his actions back them, what does that achieve? Just accept that he's doing it for the reasons he has stated, they've always been alright to him. That's all that really matters to him.

Ferguson is doing an excellent job.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

Ferguson is doing an excellent job.

Great post. Entirely irrelevant to the topic being discussed but don't let that stop you.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

Great post. Entirely irrelevant to the topic being discussed but don't let that stop you.

the topic is his attendance at the funeral of a friend of his

Again, I don't necessarily disagree.

Just that you have to remember that his comments are aimed at the press, even via match programmes, and if anything is true about his reputation for mind games, it's that he holds great stock in portraying a happy camp and hopes to exploit divisions in rival camps.

His horse shenanigans and his abandoned quit declaration gave the lie to this, and he's certainly far from infallible. All I'm saying is that as distasteful as we SHOULD find some of his comments, we can't be certain of his motives.

So for old time's sake, perhaps it's fitting that we give him the benefit of the doubt. For now.

Time will tell whether he's truly tainted his legacy.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

Maybe you're right. This 'price worth paying', does that include pricing poorer fans out of being able to go to United? He doesn't say the basics to answer the question in the Glazer's, he goes out of his way to praise them and undermine the United fans stance. You can pretend all you like that he's secretly against them but if his actions back them, what does that achieve? Just accept that he's doing it for the reasons he has stated, they've always been alright to him. That's all that really matters to him.

He doesn't go out of his way to praise them - he often says there's simply no problem. It's hardly effusive.

So he's protected his position just like every £#%&!ing player at the club including the local ones like Gary "Shop Steward" Neville. Not one of them walked and that includes Ole who made some noises when the gimps took over, was told to shut the £#%&! up and is now comfy running the Reserves.

I disagree with Fergusons approach - I think he should say nothing about the ownership but to single him out is unfair. I hated his position on the Coolmore horse and I disagree with his £#%&!y knighthood as I do with all honours.

But to criticise him for attending and speaking at Reid's funeral is just too black and white - we all live lives with some shades of grey.

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

He doesn't go out of his way to praise them - he often says there's simply no problem. It's hardly effusive.

So he's protected his position just like every £#%&!ing player at the club including the local ones like Gary "Shop Steward" Neville. Not one of them walked and that includes Ole who made some noises when the gimps took over, was told to shut the £#%&! up and is now comfy running the Reserves.

I disagree with Fergusons approach - I think he should say nothing about the ownership but to single him out is unfair. I hated his position on the Coolmore horse and I disagree with his £#%&!y knighthood as I do with all honours.

But to criticise him for attending and speaking at Reid's funeral is just too black and white - we all live lives with some shades of grey.

I've not criticised him for attending a funeral. I was merely pointing out to the clueless £#%&!o's that he doesn't practice what he preaches. He does go out of his way to praise them "excellent owners" being a good example and saying the green and gold campaign hinders his ability to win games when the evidence is to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

But to criticise him for attending and speaking at Reid's funeral is just too black and white - we all live lives with some shades of grey.

and some of us more gracefully than others

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

the topic is his attendance at the funeral of a friend of his

So what has got to do with whether or not he's doing an excellent job?

Originally Posted by no fun

and some of us more gracefully than others

True that. Some people hope old and infirm people have a long and painful death and they openly admit that when it happens, they will throw a party. Utter @#%&!s I'm sure you'll agree.

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

He doesn't go out of his way to praise them - he often says there's simply no problem. It's hardly effusive.

So he's protected his position just like every £#%&!ing player at the club including the local ones like Gary "Shop Steward" Neville. Not one of them walked and that includes Ole who made some noises when the gimps took over, was told to shut the £#%&! up and is now comfy running the Reserves.

I disagree with Fergusons approach - I think he should say nothing about the ownership but to single him out is unfair. I hated his position on the Coolmore horse and I disagree with his £#%&!y knighthood as I do with all honours.

But to criticise him for attending and speaking at Reid's funeral is just too black and white - we all live lives with some shades of grey.

Very true, for example I have a light grey sweater and a dark grey suit

Originally Posted by jaffo

Very true, for example I have a light grey sweater and a dark grey suit

It's called a jumper. Also, I hope you don't wear it with the suit?