*Official Match thread* Sunderland v United 05/10/13

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

'dependable' is not something I associate with creative players like JazzyJizz. I want wingers and flair players to excite and create and for young players to shown faith and given PL starts. Given his cameos so far, its deserved and exactly the kind of game he should be starting.

The chances he's been given has been one positive from Moyes so far.

If his contract wasn't expiring this season I doubt he would be getting these opportunities.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

'dependable' is not something I associate with creative players like JazzyJizz. I want wingers and flair players to excite and create and for young players to shown faith and given PL starts. Given his cameos so far, its deserved and exactly the kind of game he should be starting.

The chances he's been given has been one positive from Moyes so far.

even creative players have to be accountable for their actions on the pitch. no point starting jizzinga if he constantly causes play to break down by giving the ball away.

he should be fine in this match, but would be concerned if he was starting in higher priority matches ahead of kagawa.

Originally Posted by David Moist

He's better than Tom "0 outstanding attributes" Cleverley in every game he plays.

He's not really done it at United (other than scoring a hat trick) but that's mainly due to the fact that we have had managers who insist on playing shit-on-a-stick square passes between midfield and defence before eventually playing it to the wings so they can hit a speculative cross football. If we actually played a system that any of the other top teams play, Kagawa would flourish like he did at Dortmund as he became the two time Bundesliga player of the year.

Listen you @#%&! he's been £#%&!ing shit so far, lets all stop dancing round the issue "he's not being used right" £#%&! off, if he's that good then he should have shown more than he has.

I like the fella but there's no real argument for him to be in the team at the moment.

Your username is £#%&!ing idiotic by the way

First thing Moyes has done right.

Originally Posted by TC23 Henchasaurus

Listen you @#%&! he's been £#%&!ing shit so far, lets all stop dancing round the issue "he's not being used right" £#%&! off, if he's that good then he should have shown more than he has.

I like the fella but there's no real argument for him to be in the team at the moment.

Your username is £#%&!ing idiotic by the way

Well said.

Good team good looking bench too.

3-0 Sunderland

Originally Posted by carlosartorial

Well said.

No its not, because (even) worse players are being picked ahead of him

Why was he, of all people, hauled off at HT a week ago?? Pure scapegoating, and we were worse in the second half for it.

Like that team. Glad that Fellaini isn't playing; hopefully we can play with some tempo.

Originally Posted by Michael Myers

Like that team. Glad that Fellaini isn't playing; hopefully we can play with some tempo.

out for a while, done his wrist it pulling shirts

I feel bad for Kagawa.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

No its not, because (even) worse players are being picked ahead of him

Why was he, of all people, hauled off at HT a week ago?? Pure scapegoating, and we were worse in the second half for it.

Because those players that are worse (debatable anyway) will at least put a shift in, it might well be a shift of shit but I'm afraid Kags is just a passenger at the moment.

The big hench man deserves to start before him at this moment.

Originally Posted by TC23 Henchasaurus

Listen you @#%&! he's been £#%&!ing shit so far, lets all stop dancing round the issue "he's not being used right" £#%&! off, if he's that good then he should have shown more than he has.

I like the fella but there's no real argument for him to be in the team at the moment.

Your username is £#%&!ing idiotic by the way

He hasn't been shit. He hasn't set the world alight and I get pissed off myself with people going on like Kagawa is the answer to everything. He isn't, obviously. Given how he played last season, he probably wouldn't even get in City's, Arsenal's or Spurs' first team, but he's not playing for them, he's playing for us and he's competing with Ashley £#%&!ing Young, Antonio Valencia, Ryan Giggs, and an 18 year old kid.

Everyone knows we play shit football and the reason for it is the reliance on touchline hugging wingers. Kagawa isn't one of those. If we're insisting on playing this outdated style of football, we signed the wrong player and we'll continue playing like shit unless we find another Ronaldo.

Your username is £#%&!ing idiotic. What the £#%&! is a TC23 Henchasaurus?

Originally Posted by TheKitchenSink

with recent results in mind there's no way moyes could have left rooney out of this one imo. januzaj is an exciting player but not dependable enough to start. it was his initial error last week that led to wba's winning goal.

Yeah, totally his fault that - after his attempted through-ball was intercepted on the edge of the WBA box -the entire defence (who were all in position) and his midfield partners were unable to stop one @#%&! carrying the ball from his own half. With a bit of luck he'll roll a 5-yard square pass in future and let someone else to give it away instead.

Good team btw. Promising. Looking forward to a match for the first time for weeks.

Jones at centre-half!

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

Yeah, totally his fault that - after his attempted through-ball was intercepted on the edge of the WBA box -the entire defence (who were all in position) and his midfield partners were unable to stop one @#%&! carrying the ball from his own half. With a bit of luck he'll roll a 5-yard square pass in future and let someone else to give it away instead.

where did i say it was totally his fault? calm down. obviously the rest of the team were a pile of shit attempting to defend the counter attack, but there's no denying it wouldn't have happened if the ball hadn't been needlessly given away.

If we lose today as well then the crowd will turn on Moyes. But he's made us "expect more defeats" so maybe everyone will remain calm.

should be winning this 3 or 4-0

lets see

Originally Posted by Michael Myers

Jones at centre-half!

A centre-half playing at centre-half? Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by General Woundwort

A centre-half playing at centre-half? Am I missing something?

I'm just a tad shocked as he never actually plays in his natural position.

this is Gargmoyes Robby Bobson moment at Italia 90.

Only gone and picked a good side hasn't he?

We will win this by 3 or 4 and look good.

Mouse may have just pulled it round