Say what you like about van Nistelrooy

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

His attitude & commitment post-Newcastle away on January 1st was appalling.

Maybe it's the case that Ruud simply didn't fit in at the Club anymore - style of play, relationship with fellow players etc.. I'd go along with that.
But, we haven't replaced him with anyone in his league.

Why the bad feeling towards the guy??...I don't get it


I'm not suggesting we should get him back by any means, but to question his ability is ridiculous. He is a goalmachine...& a very good footballer as well.

RVNs attitude was every bit as bad, if not worse, than Saha's last year.

I'm not questioning his ability. I'm questioining his ATTITUDE and COMMITMENT post 2003/04.

He has gone to Real and put in the effort that was missing from his game last season. That's why I'm not too fussed on the bloke. His attitude after the Carling Cup Final was a disgrace. Thought he had a divine right to play even though Saha had got us to the final, and the week before RVN had hardly broken sweat as we went out of the cup at Anfield.

Oh, and he was a bully and a coward. The likes of Keane, Robson, Cantona would have stood toe-to-toe with Keown. RVN legged it.


The title of this thread "say what you like about RVN" implies that he is not to everyones tastes, so why the surprise that I don't worship him like some on here.

Anyone who would like to see him back at United clearly doesn't want to see good football at OT.

Originally Posted by Terry Silver

Anyone who would like to see him back at United clearly doesn't want to see good football at OT.

Don't think I've read anyone say they want him back...& I certainly haven't said that.

It's very black & white to say 'Ruud out the door = Championship' ..there's a bit more to it than that.
The form of Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Van Der Sar & co won us the Title, not Ruud's absence.

Between August & November Saha was terrific, but then he did what he always does..get's injured & then seemingly doesn't seem capable of getting fit in anything under 6months.


The Martin Keown thing is a good point....I'd loved to have seen Ruud put the £#%&!er out cold. But that's not Ruud. He is a bit of a tart, simple as that.
However it's hardly grounds for hating him!

Carling Cup final?..I agree with you on that, but players will always have fall outs with the manager..always hit a bad spell of form.
He was crap at Anfield, but he wasn't alone...the rest of the side that day were equally pathetic.

The facts are:
We let him go far too cheap.
He is a great goalscorer & a great player (some of his 'round the corner' lay-offs & one-twos last night at high pace were outstanding)

I just wish him & Becks well at Madrid because I concentrate more on the great things they did for us rather than their slightly bitter exits from the Club.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Ruud is the best out & out striker in Europe.

If you had said the best out and out goalscorer in Europe i would have no argument,but there is a lot more to being a great striker than just scoring goals.

As for the 4-5-1 argument he has been playing as a loan striker for Madrid for most of the season, Raul drops deep, and it is a system he has played for most of his career. The Dutch have played it religiously for years.

The move worked out well for both clubs, he was stale, and he made us predictable, and inhibited the likes of Giggs and Ronaldo from playing the type of free flowing football that they are at their most effective at.

He was a great player for us but it was the right time to let hi go.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Agreed.

As I said yesterday, he makes it look easy...which shows how £#%&!ing great he is.

The comment earlier in the thread along the lines of "I'd score 30 goals in La Liga because the defending is so shit" is frankly ridiculous.
The Forlan comparison is stupid as well because very often an 'ordinary' striker will have a great season in any league.
I think the commentator's said last night that Ruud has now scored in 7 or 8 consecutive League games..the first time that's been done in 20 odd years. When you think of the strikers that have graced La Liga in that time that says everything about the man.
He did something similar for us in his first season too. I can't remember the number of games, but he scored at Old Trafford against Blackburn to set a new English 'consecutive goals in games' record.
Not to mention his 48 goals in 50 Champions League games or something staggering like that.
The finished 'horse faced @#%&!'

All the Ruud haters are like a criminal hanging on to a flimsy alibi that has been dismantled at every turn by the prosecution lawyer.
Ruud is the best out & out striker in Europe.

Nobody hates him you cretin its just that some people believe we are a better side without him. It is called an opinion. Also your statement "says everything about the man" is absurd. It says nothing about him as a man. Maybe as player but not as a man. By all accounts he is a moody @#%&!. I won't blame him for this as this is a trait that the dutch all seem to have in abundance. Ruud thanks for your goals, entertainment and regular berating of arsenal players. Lets move on, he has.

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

Nobody hates him you cretin its just that some people believe we are a better side without him. It is called an opinion.

Yeah I know, & I have an opinion too. That's the nature of internet forums.

I would argue that a few on here do hate him...or certainly seem happy to call him a @#%&! every 5 seconds.
But that's neither here nor there really.

The fact is, if your life depended on it, if you had to single out one player to gurantee you a goal next weekend in La Liga you would go with Van Nistelrooy.
Just as you would have when he was at United.
The man guarantee's goals. He is a phenomenon in front of goal.
He is also, as you say a moody/mardy sod (just ask Ferguson AND Van Basten) but his talent is unmatched in my opinion.

We have played better football without him..all things being equal it was best all round that he went when he did...But, we haven't replaced him with sufficient quality.
Saha is a 'Middlesbrough player' ... he's not top drawer in a million years. He's also incredibly unreliable.
Ruud still needs replacing. Maybe not 'like for like' but certainly a player of similar stature/quality.

I haven't enjoyed a season's football as much as last season for a very long time (maybe 99-2000 comes closest in the post-Treble years?) but we need a striker to take the burden off the midfield next season.

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

I bet you werent saying this last May. He was finished at our place. Immobile, sullen, spoilt, distracted - the list is endless. One of the best things Fergie ever did. I used to love Ruud but I would fancy myself to get into double figures in that league. But then again I am a goal machine. In all seriousness the defences are absolutely woeful in la liga and as has been alluded to on here numerous times...Look at Diego's record out there. Its a £#%&!ing joke. We did well to get 10 million for Ruud.

That post is full of shit. We did well to get 10 million for him? That's so absurd, it must be a wum.

Originally Posted by Stan_Tier2

its become trendy to slate ruud

he was amazing for us

Exactly. I've never gone along with this "Ruud is a horse faced @#%&!" bullshit. He remains one of my favourite United players of recent years.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Agreed.

As I said yesterday, he makes it look easy...which shows how £#%&!ing great he is.

The comment earlier in the thread along the lines of "I'd score 30 goals in La Liga because the defending is so shit" is frankly ridiculous.
The Forlan comparison is stupid as well because very often an 'ordinary' striker will have a great season in any league.
I think the commentator's said last night that Ruud has now scored in 7 or 8 consecutive League games..the first time that's been done in 20 odd years. When you think of the strikers that have graced La Liga in that time that says everything about the man.
He did something similar for us in his first season too. I can't remember the number of games, but he scored at Old Trafford against Blackburn to set a new English 'consecutive goals in games' record.
Not to mention his 48 goals in 50 Champions League games or something staggering like that.
The finished 'horse faced @#%&!'

All the Ruud haters are like a criminal hanging on to a flimsy alibi that has been dismantled at every turn by the prosecution lawyer.
Ruud is the best out & out striker in Europe.

Excellent post MJ. How anyone can doubt his ability is beyond me. Ruud leaving is not the reason we won the title this season. Vidic and Evra proving themselves, Scholes back to his best, Ronaldo's emergence as one of the world's best - those are the real reasons we won the title. I don't doubt that losing Ruud has helped us to play more fluid football down the wings but anyone who thinks it's as simple as Ruud leaving is a complete idiot.

Originally Posted by TreeFiddy

That post is full of shit. We did well to get 10 million for him? That's so absurd, it must be a wum.



Exactly. I've never gone along with this "Ruud is a horse faced @#%&!" bullshit. He remains one of my favourite United players of recent years.

You entitled this thread "Say what you like about Van Nistelrooy", yet you get abusive and defensive when people do just that.

Grow up.

Not having our attack focused around one player has been a big reason behind our success, we couldn't have played like that with Ruud.

Originally Posted by Terry Silver

You entitled this thread "Say what you like about Van Nistelrooy", yet you get abusive and defensive when people do just that.

Grow up.

How was I abusive?

I said 'say what you like' because I know the kind of shit people on here come out with. I've never slated Ruud.

Originally Posted by TreeFiddy

How was I abusive?

You invited people to say what they like about RVN.

Someone said what they liked about RVN.

You said their post was "full of shit".

Grow up.

Right, United are a much better TEAM and play much better football without RVN.If RVN was still here, we'd be playing a dull, pace-less brand of football with a shot team spirit.

Does anyone disagree with this?

But we've been amazing without him and that makes it a good deal all round. Bargain for them, the right timing for us (and that was worth a lot)

back to the original point...he was a bargain for them. £10 million is too cheap, but this was down to the fact that we wanted rid and madrid knew it

Originally Posted by Terry Silver

You invited people to say what they like about RVN.

Someone said what they liked about RVN.

You said their post was "full of shit".

Grow up.

exactly. take those Ruud tinted specs off treefiddy, just because you still profess to love Ruud it doesnt make you a die hard red. People have opinions. Everybody on here obviously rated ruud otherwise they wouldnt be posting but ill tell you now that we would have won absoultely nothing if he had remained at the club this season. You know it. Stop being so defensive of him, he had to go, end of story. It doesnt mean that we all hate him and don't rate him as a goalscorer. Anyone would think he is your dad.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Yeah I know, & I have an opinion too. That's the nature of internet forums.

I would argue that a few on here do hate him...or certainly seem happy to call him a @#%&! every 5 seconds.
But that's neither here nor there really.

The fact is, if your life depended on it, if you had to single out one player to gurantee you a goal next weekend in La Liga you would go with Van Nistelrooy.
Just as you would have when he was at United.
The man guarantee's goals. He is a phenomenon in front of goal.
He is also, as you say a moody/mardy sod (just ask Ferguson AND Van Basten) but his talent is unmatched in my opinion.

We have played better football without him..all things being equal it was best all round that he went when he did...But, we haven't replaced him with sufficient quality.
Saha is a 'Middlesbrough player' ... he's not top drawer in a million years. He's also incredibly unreliable.
Ruud still needs replacing. Maybe not 'like for like' but certainly a player of similar stature/quality.

I haven't enjoyed a season's football as much as last season for a very long time (maybe 99-2000 comes closest in the post-Treble years?) but we need a striker to take the burden off the midfield next season.

fair play, good post. We will just have to agree on some points and disagree on others! C'est la vie.

Originally Posted by Terry Silver

You invited people to say what they like about RVN.

Someone said what they liked about RVN.

You said their post was "full of shit".

Grow up.

Chill out babe.

I may have invited people to say what they like - that's pretty much the norm for internet forums - but that doesn't stop me pointing out when a post is full of shit. Comments like "I could score goals in La Liga because the standard of defending is so bad" and "Man Utd - Ruud = champions" are stupid as £#%&!.

Originally Posted by TreeFiddy

Chill out babe.

I may have invited people to say what they like - that's pretty much the norm for internet forums - but that doesn't stop me pointing out when a post is full of shit. Comments like "I could score goals in La Liga because the standard of defending is so bad" and "Man Utd - Ruud = champions" are stupid as £#%&!.

exaggeration to make a point you #@&%!

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

fair play, good post. We will just have to agree on some points and disagree on others! C'est la vie.

Yep.
Like I say, I agree it was time for him to go. I don't really argue with the fundamental point of your argument (style of football we play wouldn't suit him)

But, he isn't a 'horsefaced @#%&!' as so many people on here seem to think. He's the top goalscorer in our European history & his poor final season at the Club is put into perspective by his first 4 sesaons (in my opinion at least)
Ok, we didn't win a lot in his time....1 League Title & 1 FA Cup....but he was excellent for us, particuarly in Europe.

I still maintain we let him go too cheap & he has yet to be replaced!

classic goldfish post right there Fiddy

Nistelrooy was very average to poor in his first few months at madrid, he's scored a lot of goals recently and well done for that....however the standard of defending in la Liga is just about the level of the SPL ....watch Barca at Atletico Madrid the other week as a perfect example

I was over Nistelrooy from last January when it became apparent he was working his ticket, we haven't missed him but I agree we do need a scoring striker as opposed to a nion-scoring striker like Alan £#%&!in Smith

Originally Posted by TreeFiddy

Chill out babe.

I may have invited people to say what they like - that's pretty much the norm for internet forums - but that doesn't stop me pointing out when a post is full of shit. Comments like "I could score goals in La Liga because the standard of defending is so bad" and "Man Utd - Ruud = champions" are stupid as £#%&!.

So Man United minus RVN doesn't equal Champions?

Did I just fall asleep and dream the last 10 months?

If you invite people to say what they like about RVN, or any subject, you should have the decency to respect their opinion even if you don't agree. Otherwise, in future kindly clarify that what you actually mean to say is "Say what you like about (insert subject here), but should I disagree with you I will get all abusive and defensive like a silly girl".

Originally Posted by Terry Silver

So Man United minus RVN doesn't equal Champions?

Did I just fall asleep and dream the last 10 months?

If you invite people to say what they like about RVN, or any subject, you should have the decency to respect their opinion even if you don't agree. Otherwise, in future kindly clarify that what you actually mean to say is "Say what you like about (insert subject here), but should I disagree with you I will get all abusive and defensive like a silly girl".