Ronaldo's booking yesterday

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Why is that your username?

I like to watch and I'm from Sofia. I have a Great Uncle who is a Womble.

The "Play On" argument is dumb. The ref called a dive the play on wasn't going anywhere. A decision was given to Spurs.

http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/09...heGame0809.pdf

Direct Free Kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits
any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the
referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player
commits any of the following three offences:

• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his
own penalty area)

A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

Penalty Kick

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed
by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of
the ball, provided it is in play.


Cautionable Offences

A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of
the following seven offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
• delaying the restart of play
• failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with
a corner kick, free kick or throw-in
• entering or re-entering the fi eld of play without the referee’s
permission
• deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s
permission

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of
the following three offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• delaying the restart of play

Originally Posted by Billy Baroo

it makes no difference if he was already laid out on the pitch when king caught him

if it was play on he would have stopped ronnie being involved in the move by fouling him

I can see your point and agree with you to some extent...I just think football has become so sanitised that we are now discussing this.

Years ago and on football pitches around the country, that would have been nothing more, than two players coming together.

pick each other up and crack on.....Like i said, just a view and a theroy i had on the whole Incident.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

I don't understand. Please re-phrase.

The ball was long gone from ronaldos control. United played on and i forget who, but it was spread out wide into another attacking position Inside Spurs's penalty area.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/09...heGame0809.pdf

Direct Free Kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits
any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the
referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player
commits any of the following three offences:

• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his
own penalty area)

A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

Penalty Kick

A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed
by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of
the ball, provided it is in play.


Cautionable Offences

A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of
the following seven offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
• delaying the restart of play
• failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with
a corner kick, free kick or throw-in
• entering or re-entering the fi eld of play without the referee’s
permission
• deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s
permission

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of
the following three offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• delaying the restart of play

hhhmm, nothing about the player needing to have control of the ball. If that were the case, no foul would ever be given for two players going for a 50/50. Imagine a loose ball, two players go for it (obviously neither have control because it's loose), one player gets, the other doesn't and trips the man. It will be a foul every single time.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

I can see your point and agree with you to some extent...I just think football has become so sanitised that we are now discussing this.

Years ago and on football pitches around the country, that would have been nothing more, than two players coming together.

pick each other up and crack on.....Like i said, just a view and a theroy i had on the whole Incident.



The ball was long gone from ronaldos control. United played on and i forget who, but it was spread out wide into another attacking position Inside Spurs's penalty area.

See my above post.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

The ball was long gone from ronaldos control. United played on and i forget who, but it was spread out wide into another attacking position Inside Spurs's penalty area.

doesn't matter where the ball was - according to the rules, anyway

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

United played on and i forget who, but it was spread out wide into another attacking position Inside Spurs's penalty area.

That has nothing to do with it, United were just being professional, play to the whistle, they had the ball in a good area, what good would it have done to throw their hands in the air and stop playing?

And if it was 'long gone from Ronaldo's control' then surely King would've just taken this loose ball. The fact that Ronaldo rescues a heavy touch means he doesn't lose control of the ball. It remains in his possession throughout, so it can't have been that out of his control*. The heavy touch merely tempts King into a challenge. A challenge where he simply must take the ball and not the man. He fails. Penalty. It's the very fundamental of a foul.



*Besides which, this is completly irrelvent.

Originally Posted by dunk

, what good would it have done to throw their hands in the air and stop playing?

Shown it was a penalty.......??

None of them claimed for it....

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Shown it was a penalty.......??

None of them claimed for it....

The foul shows it was a penalty. The suggestion that the the referee would look to a player's appealing to judge a decision is unsettling.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

hhhmm, nothing about the player needing to have control of the ball. If that were the case, no foul would ever be given for two players going for a 50/50. Imagine a loose ball, two players go for it (obviously neither have control because it's loose), one player gets, the other doesn't and trips the man. It will be a foul every single time.

if the ref was going by those rules (the Fifa rules that is!) then it looks like he was simply balancing whether King's challenge (trip) was careless or reckless against whether Ronaldo's reaction to it was unsporting. not sure what section the bit about simulation is in.

anyway, the booking was a joke, but even less sure whether it was a penalty or not now. surely King's trip was careless? why would you do that with ronaldo running at you?

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Shown it was a penalty.......??

None of them claimed for it....

But then we would've been criticised for harassing and surrounding the referee.

It's not their job to claim for it, it's not £#%&!ing cricket. Sorry, you didn't appeal loud enough, no penalty.

Originally Posted by dunk

But then we would've been criticised for harassing and surrounding the referee.

It's not their job to claim for it, it's not £#%&!ing cricket. Sorry, you didn't appeal loud enough, no penalty.

I was just throwing it out there for discussion really.

I never said they should have surrounded the Ref and hounded im for a penalty...

But you can usually judge things from players reaction..

United and spurs played on.

King Didn't look like he knew it was a pen

Ronaldo was incensed it wasn't a dive.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

I was just throwing it out there for discussion really.

I never said they should have surrounded the Ref and hounded im for a penalty...

But you can usually judge things from players reaction..

United and spurs played on.

King Didn't look like he knew it was a pen

Ronaldo was incensed it wasn't a dive.

I'm not sure it was a penalty, it wasn't a dive though, as I said earlier, the challenge was exactly the same as O'Shea's on Modric, Modric got the free kick and the commentators and pundits all thought O'Shea should've had his 2nd yellow, so, that being the benchmark, it was a penalty.

The players didn't appeal for it as they were still in possession, if the ball had been with Spurs, they would've been more vociferous, I imagine.

Wether it was a pen or not (which i think it was), those melodramatic 'look how incensed I am' expressions Ronaldo does for the cameras make me cringe.

Originally Posted by dunk

I'm not sure it was a penalty, it wasn't a dive though,

As i have said through out this thread........

No Pen, No yellow, play on..........

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

As i have said through out this thread........

No Pen, No yellow, play on..........

Definitely no yellow. When measured against the rest of the challenges in the game, definite pen.

never a pen, was on his way down when the contacts was made with Kings foot.

that said the yellow was harsh.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Agreed but anybody who saw Ronnie last week and then saw the incident yesterday would struggle to not at least be suspicious.

interesting

yesterday there was a clear TV slo-mo of both players' feet at the moment of contact

last week there was no clear TV slo-mo of their feet (that I saw anyway).


i think the incidents were pretty similar, though. from the same pod. well honed and practiced by ALL players in the modern game who run at pace with the ball - timing of the stride before contact, dragging of the leg or pointing of the toes etc