I've made no secret of the fact I wasn't too keen on berbatov signing..

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Have United signed many players who had loads of medals when they signed?

veron, blanc and vds are the only ones i can think of tbh

Originally Posted by borsuk

veron, blanc and vds are the only ones i can think of tbh

Interesting, 2 of those weren't exactly huge successes.

Barthez had quite a few (World Cup, European Championship) but that only reinforces Bedders's point really.

Ruud won the dutch league didn't he?

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Have United signed many players who had loads of medals when they signed?

The Apache had amassed a good haul by the time he came to us.

Copas Libertadores
Olympic Gold
Intercontinental Cup
Brazilian Championship
Argentinian Championship

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Interesting, 2 of those weren't exactly huge successes.

true. kleberson was a world cup winner as well


to be fair, blanc was at the end of his career and was clearly a stop-gap. vds has been a huge success. veron was, well, not what we hoped for for whatever reason.

The cougar had an impressive medal haul.

Viv Anderson was a European Cup winner.

I win.

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Barthez had quite a few (World Cup, European Championship) but that only reinforces Bedders's point really.

I'm not really trying to make a point, just not sure what difference it makes what a player has won when he arrives at United? Berbatov scored 23 goals and got 15+ assists in both his seasons at Spurs, if he matches or as I expect improves on that return for us, I think he'll have a medakl or two come seasons end, which is what matters.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I'm not really trying to make a point, just not sure what difference it makes what a player has won when he arrives at United? Berbatov scored 23 goals and got 15+ assists in both his seasons at Spurs, if he matches or as I expect improves on that return for us, I think he'll have a medakl or two come seasons end, which is what matters.

My point was that £30m is the price tag of a red hot prospect in their teens, a player in their early twenties with potential and a few big games under their belt or world star.

If the player is 27 and not a world star - at the very least you would expect a "low profile" player (the likes of Makelele, Scholes, Nedved) who has been doing the business at the top for a minimum of 3 years.

For the clubs he has been at and the games he has been involved in and the trophies he has won - the price is off putting

Originally Posted by Don Stuarte

My point was that £30m is e price tag of a red hot prospect in their teens, a player in their early twenties with potential with a few big games under their belt or world star.

If the player is 27 and not a world star - at the very least you would expect a "low profile" player (the likes of Makelele, Scholes, Nedved) who has been doing the business at the top for a minimum of 3 years.

For the clubs he has been at and the games he has been involved in and the trophies he has won - the price is off putting

Do you not agree that what actually matters is what he does at United, rather than what's happened previously? In the end it is a footballer we've signed, not a pricetag.

At the end of the day, what difference does united spending £30m rather than £20m on a player make to our lives? Not much.

Nft.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I'm not really trying to make a point, just not sure what difference it makes what a player has won when he arrives at United? Berbatov scored 23 goals and got 15+ assists in both his seasons at Spurs, if he matches or as I expect improves on that return for us, I think he'll have a medakl or two come seasons end, which is what matters.

Sorry, thought you were saying that United typically haven't gone for that kind of player. Does it make a difference? In theory no, although it is notable that those that had a big medal collection have rarely been big successes.

Personally I like signing quality players with a point to prove and eager to win stuff. Like you I imagine.

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer

Sorry, thought you were saying that United typically haven't gone for that kind of player. Does it make a difference? In theory no, although it is notable that those that had a big medal collection have rarely been big successes.

Personally I like signing quality players with a point to prove and eager to win stuff. Like you I imagine.

Yup.

how old was Zidane when he moved to Madrid?

Originally Posted by Don Stuarte

My point was that £30m is the price tag of a red hot prospect in their teens, a player in their early twenties with potential and a few big games under their belt or world star.

If the player is 27 and not a world star - at the very least you would expect a "low profile" player (the likes of Makelele, Scholes, Nedved) who has been doing the business at the top for a minimum of 3 years.

For the clubs he has been at and the games he has been involved in and the trophies he has won - the price is off putting

eh?

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Do you not agree that what actually matters is what he does at United, rather than what's happened previously? In the end it is a footballer we've signed, not a pricetag.

Agreed but my point is that Im not excited by it.

A £30m signing should get the blood flowing

Originally Posted by Billy Baroo

eh?

Nedved - NOT a world star FACT

Originally Posted by Don Stuarte

Agreed but my point is that Im not excited by it.

A £30m signing should get the blood flowing





Nedved - NOT a world star FACT

was he not European player of the year?

of course he was a world star, as is scholes

Originally Posted by Fountz

Bloody Hell that's shocking. I could complain that my PC keeps freezing so my second attempt to post was done hastily.. but that wouldn't wash... Oh no.. :shakehead:

No, the only thing to put me back in a good mood is if Sparky could reassure me that he really means it when he says he'll give Berbatov his absolute fullest backing. Really means it !

Anything less simply won't do.

you're making a fool of yourself now.

just stop it, otherwise i may be forced to mention harry potter audiobooks

Originally Posted by Billy Baroo

was he not European player of the year?

of course he was a world star, as is scholes

I disagree but as it seems I have no right to an opinion.

You are correct