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Out still, best time for it as well. He gets to go with his head held high and with a feeling of being hard done by.
But he'd be conveniently forgetting that the Premier League and Champions league were utter failures. Hard to see too far past that, even with yesterday. He's got a year left on his contract, so it's not a case of give him another year, it'll be a case of give him a new contract if he's going to stay. I wonder how many would flip flop back to ETH out if we start slow again next season? Except at that point he'd have a new contract, another summer of his signings, and we'll have a smaller pool of potential managerial options to replace him with. If winning the FA Cup against a stronger City side was a requirement to be manager then we might as well put Roberto Martinez the top of our manager shortlist. |
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This is a huge decision for the club and shouldn't be based on one game but a calm thoughtful analysis of the whole 2 years.
Are we going in the right direction? What are the potential issues about replacing and not replacing? Is there anyone better placed and available? Yesterday demonstrated how good a coach ETH can be...just like City at home last year. He hasn't been daunted by the challenges he has faced and has coped in an extremely hostile and difficult environment. Seems made of strong stuff. Handles the press well. |
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It takes a big man to admit that you got it hopelessly wrong, to put your pride and dignity to one side, and come crawling on your hands and knees to the very people you've spent months telling that they're wrong. Fair play to them and I don't think they should be reminded of it either. |
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It'd stink of the club still not knowing what they're actually doing and are playing it by ear. It'd also be disrespectful to the man himself, because it wouldn't be fair on him to be told that he's the man for the job, but still have no assurances over his future beyond next season. I don't think he should be manager next season, but if he is then I'd hope they give him a new contract. Any decision with the manager has to be made with confidence. Keeping him on but not offering him a new contract isn't a decision made with confidence. |
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At the start of every season, it is possible to win 3 trophies, 4 if you’ve previously qualified for European competition. In each of his first 2 seasons, ETH has won 1 trophy. Maybe for a club who wins league championships and European cups every year that can be considered failure and worth of the sack, but for Manchester United, where we are now after the past decade of poor ownership and mismanagement, it’s a success. End of story.
If what defines us as a successful club is finishing in the top four, as defined arsenal for years and, let’s be honest, it was purely for financial rather than football reasons, then it’s not a success I crave. The manager has more than earned the right to lead us next season. The real question is, do we deserve him? I’m glad we won the cup. I’m glad we qualified for the Europa too, as it will enable those young players to learn the European game properly first, away from the champions league. Was our league campaign successful? No. The champions league? Terrible. Were there reasons? Definitely. At times the football has been absolutely awful, with palace being the low that has me thinking it was time for him to go, because he didn’t seem to want to cover that gaping hole in our midfield, or be capable of playing to any other game plan than that one he’s used all season. But yesterday was a total tactical masterclass. Haggers has the skills, he just needs more of the right players. |
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Sage words. Those who want him out need to go on record with what the next manager should achieve and the timescale. There have been missteps under ETH but there was under Fergie before we entered the golden era. The club needs to sort it's shit out and build a structure that supports the manager. Sack him at your peril. |
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Would you take this season again next season? 8th in the league, 13 defeats, dumped out of Europe stage 1 , neggy GD but an FA Cup win against City? Probably not. Heart right now says let him have his 3rd series but of course if it’s not going the right way then INEOS are gonna see it as time wasted…
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I can respect any and all stances on ETH*
it's a big oversimplification to say yesterday was just because he had varane and Martinez available. it also ignores the fact that varane was on the bench for a lot of the season... the main difference yesterday was that ETH set us up with a clear game plan that the players bought into. from the outside looking in, it's almost as though ETH has been 'lazy' this season. his tactical approach has been very basic and very naive. if he stays, hopefully he's learned a lot from this season about what works and what doesn't. and hopefully we get a lot less injuries. *except magic cantona who changes his mind more often than he changes his underpants, and then relentlessly attacks anyone with a different view to him, without any sense of irony. Quote:
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The man has a contract - why would we need to commit to either terminating it or extending it when there’s doubt? And any reasonable person, including the man himself, would admit there’s doubt. If you think doubt is enough to bin then I get it, but I think there’s as much chance of us making a much better fist of things next year as not. Why not find out, especially as there’s no obvious candidate to replace him? I reserve the right to change my mind tomorrow. |