*OFFICIAL*Match Thread - West Ham v Manchester United 08/02/15

Originally Posted by Szekely

weak mentality? what does that even mean in this context? I'm not playing. we're observers.

its a simply a reflection of our standard. I want us to be title contenders as much as you, but I recognise that were not. not yet. that's why we drew games at spurs and Stoke - because we're that little level down from turning those in to wins. my post was simply to point out the standard of competition for our aim this season.

Im positive about the direction were heading, but sensible enough to see where we actually are. sorry about that.

We are weaker, but so is the rest of the league.

BTW, this isn't about the title anymore. I'm talking of 4th now. If we don't win today then doubts about even that will continue. Today is must win, as the next few weeks will be vital to whether we get back into the CL or not. Check out our fixtures for march and april.

Your move.

Originally Posted by saffers

We are weaker, but so is the rest of the league.

BTW, this isn't about the title anymore. I'm talking of 4th now. If we don't win today then doubts about even that will continue. Today is must win, as the next few weeks will be vital to whether we get back into the CL or not. Check out our fixtures for march and april.

Your move.

so even though a defeat keeps us in the top four, we absolutely MUST win in order to stay in the top four in three months?

you're exaggerating.

today is important. Every game is important, but it isn't a 'must win'.

Think we'll win today. Always quite confident when Allardyce is in the opposing dugout.

I really really hope we win today.

Originally Posted by Szekely

so even though a defeat keeps us in the top four, we absolutely MUST win in order to stay in the top four in three months?

you're exaggerating.

today is important. Every game is important, but it isn't a 'must win'.

Its no exaggeration pal, especially when we're creating so few chances, don't keep many clean sheets and still have a shocking away record.

They've got injuries at the back do we should be able to score a few. Fingers crossed.

Originally Posted by saffers

Its no exaggeration pal, especially when we're creating so few chances, don't keep many clean sheets and still have a shocking away record.

now you're just pointing out the shortcomings in our games and form. that's totally off point.

The point that caused this mini-debate was whether or not this is must win - ie we have to win or we will NOT reach our objective - which is clearly isn't.

important that we do? Yes! massive if we do? Yes! absolutely essential that we do? no.

3-0 United.

2 - 1 Sahko brace

west ham united 1 - 3 manchester united

Originally Posted by Szekely

now you're just pointing out the shortcomings in our games and form. that's totally off point.

The point that caused this mini-debate was whether or not this is must win - ie we have to win or we will NOT reach our objective - which is clearly isn't.

important that we do? Yes! massive if we do? Yes! absolutely essential that we do? no.

How is it off point. We've been playing the same way since late sept, and all season have only won 3 times away.

You are gonna make apologies for us missing out on a bloody cl place just the way you did for us failing to challenge for the title. Extremely s2c.

Originally Posted by saffers

How is it off point. We've been playing the same way since late sept, and all season have only won 3 times away.

You are gonna make apologies for us missing out on a bloody cl place just the way you did for us failing to challenge for the title. Extremely s2c.

you've now missed the point three times despite being very clear.

its off point because those are factors to our game/form, whereas we were simply defining the importance of the game. completely different.

making apologise? what are you driveling on about? I'm observing where we are. nothing more. where I think we should be etc is, again, another matter.

I hope we win too. Have a good day.

Falcao and Afro to start.

YHIHL.

Add in the cup games and Utd have 4 wins out of 14 away matches this season

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Add in the cup games and Utd have 4 wins out of 14 away matches this season

Total opposite to last season when we couldn't win at OT. Very odd.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Add in the cup games and Utd have 4 wins out of 14 away matches this season

Shocking, remember winning only 5 (I think) away from home in the league when we won it in 2011.

Originally Posted by Szekely

you've now missed the point three times despite being very clear.

its off point because those are factors to our game/form, whereas we were simply defining the importance of the game. completely different.

making apologise? what are you driveling on about? I'm observing where we are. nothing more. where I think we should be etc is, again, another matter.

I hope we win too. Have a good day.

Looks like we have another undercover city fan here. You're either that, stupid, deliberately obtuse. Anyway...

I don't hope we win, I expect us to win.

Your move.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Yeah come back in May. See you then pal.

Originally Posted by Rhodzy

Shocking, remember winning only 5 (I think) away from home in the league when we won it in 2011.

18 out of 19 wins at home, 10(ten) away draws.

Post World cup season as this is, top players have been pushed hard over an extended period, inevitable that performances will drop. You can see it across the league this year, the standard is very poor even compared to last year.

Utd are no better or no worse then spurs, l'arse, s'ton, pisspool or even wham and maybe even ciddy. the question is whether we can improve and today is certainly a big indicator of that - lose and it's a full on dog fight for a T4 spot, which you'd hope we'll pip one of the places.

Thats where we're at.

1-2 utd