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Unread 06-03-2018, 09:30 PM
dunk
 
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Yep did say if he scousebusts he'll start gaining traction even with the likes of siders and quayders who are more gabriel jesus type of striker fans than big rom.

Rom quite elegant at times imo. Can see him annihilating the scouse on satdee
How did he do against them for the blue dippers?

Elegant? Really? in all honesty I donít think heís anyoneís type of striker.. Even Mourinho didnít fancy him.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 09:37 PM
saffers
 
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How did he do against them for the blue dippers?

Elegant? Really? in all honesty I donít think heís anyoneís type of striker.. Even Mourinho didnít fancy him.
Got a number of goals against them for both wba and everton

Mourinho clearly fancied him, you love to lie.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 09:40 PM
dunk
 
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Got a number of goals against them for both wba and everton

Mourinho clearly fancied him, you love to lie.
Iím not lying. Continually loaned him out, opted not to play him even when he was bitching about lack of strikers and sold him.

Youíre the liar, once again, re-writing history to suit you
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 10:13 PM
LFOD
 
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Rom quite elegant at times imo.
Fuck me , not a hater nor his biggest fan but elegant - too funny.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 10:20 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Yes he has.




No. The top strikers in world football have that kind of record. And all in teams that score more and serve their strikers better.

There is a space between the absolute best and just reaching the bare minimum.

Giroud has been ditched after, What, four seasons? If Lukaku isn't better than 1 in 2 as a United player in four years, I'd be surprised.

The price has no bearing on how he plays, is my point. If we'd got him for cheaper, would his record be better then?

£75 wouldn't get you any of Kane, Aguero, Ronaldo or Messi.

Salah has done it for 2/3 of one season.

He's likely to hit 30 goals for the season. In a debut season where he's had a barren spell, playing In a side that is, at best, in transition.

I think we're moving the goalposts if that's a basic minimum.
Most sides that win league titles have a centre forward who scores at a higher rate than this. Costa; Vardy; Aguero; RvP.

His standards have to be high. Kane is on course for 30 again. Salah also on course for 30. Aguero in terms of strike rate is hitting almost a goal per game. Yet it's strange or unfair to expect Manchester United's record signing to get 17/18/19 as a minimum?
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 10:37 PM
Billy Redface
 
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Most sides that win league titles have a centre forward who scores at a higher rate than this. Costa; Vardy; Aguero; RvP.

His standards have to be high. Kane is on course for 30 again. Salah also on course for 30. Aguero in terms of strike rate is hitting almost a goal per game. Yet it's strange or unfair to expect Manchester United's record signing to get 17/18/19 as a minimum?
Vardy got 24. Costa got 20. In the league.

Lukaku has as many in all comps as Vardy did all season.

He won't be far off that. Both those players praised for their seasons.

And We aren't winning the league.

Kane has been at spurs for years. As has Aguero. Both in sides much more cohesive than us, that play to their strengths.

Put them in our side and they score less. Put Rom in their's and he scores more.

Salah has been exceptional for Liverpool. Good for him. He'll get player of the year. The next level down to that isn't 'minimum'.

In their debut seasons

Kane 31
Vardy 5
Costa 21
Aguero 30

Lukaku is on 24 and counting

The standards are high indeed. Which is why nobody is saying it's exceptional or that it shouldn't be more.

It's not strange to demand more, it's strange to declare a 24 goal season in April as a minimum requirement.

Rvp had 30 in a season we won the league. The return was lauded, as was he. Lukaku will be around the same and it'll be viewed as average. With far less experience than rvp.

I think that's slightly odd.

Last edited by Billy Redface; 06-03-2018 at 10:48 PM.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:17 PM
red in cumbria
 
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So if you bought an item for a lot of money that price would have no relevance to how well you'd expect it to work?

He didn't buy himself. But the signing's success clearly relates to how much you pay. Why else do we talk about bargains in football?
I think fees get talked about too much, the players themselves are not responsible for them at the end of the day.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:31 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Vardy got 24. Costa got 20. In the league.

Lukaku has as many in all comps as Vardy did all season.

He won't be far off that. Both those players praised for their seasons.

And We aren't winning the league.

Kane has been at spurs for years. As has Aguero. Both in sides much more cohesive than us, that play to their strengths.

Put them in our side and they score less. Put Rom in their's and he scores more.

Salah has been exceptional for Liverpool. Good for him. He'll get player of the year. The next level down to that isn't 'minimum'.

In their debut seasons

Kane 31
Vardy 5
Costa 21
Aguero 30

Lukaku is on 24 and counting

The standards are high indeed. Which is why nobody is saying it's exceptional or that it shouldn't be more.

It's not strange to demand more, it's strange to declare a 24 goal season in April as a minimum requirement.

[b]Rvp had 30 in a season we won the league. The return was lauded, as was he. Lukaku will be around the same and it'll be viewed as average. With far less experience than rvp.

I think that's slightly odd.
You'd make that comparison? RvP scoring 26 league goals to win us the title with what Lukaku has done?

In the middle this season he scored five league goals in four months. Compare teams and systems all we like, Aguero doesn't do that.

Btw minimum does indicate that it's somewhat acceptable tbf. I haven't called it a failure, just it's the minimum requirement. And if he does go on a run now and reach those sorts of figures, it'll have been a strong start and a strong end, but a poor spell in between.

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I think fees get talked about too much, the players themselves are not responsible for them at the end of the day.
Didn't say they were. I think managers take most of the stick for their failure/success.

But it's still relevant to how you judge a signing. When you break the club record for a striker, it increases scrutiny on the signing.
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:36 PM
AK14
 
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Didn't Van Persie go on a lengthy goal drought at some point during 12/13?
 
Unread 06-03-2018, 11:52 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Didn't Van Persie go on a lengthy goal drought at some point during 12/13?
Across four months? No, pal.
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