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Unread 27-02-2018, 11:08 PM
red in cumbria
 
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I get the idea that being a protestant in the North doesn't automatically make someone have any particular fondness for the Orange Order, but to most people in the UK the Orange Order represents Northern Ireland protestants and they either find this extreme "Britishness " laughable or think that they're nasty and bewildering.

Even the Northern Ireland protestant politicians come across as an embarrassment too though. So perhaps it's no wonder that young protestant Northern Irish are moving down to Dublin for work. perhaps they're embarrassed and maybe even revulsed at the behaviour of some from within their communities.
But a lot of these people will still vote for the unionist parties in elections because "at least they aren't them'uns".

This needs to change somehow.
 
Unread 27-02-2018, 11:23 PM
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But a lot of these people will still vote for the unionist parties in elections because "at least they aren't them'uns".

This needs to change somehow.
How can there be no socialist or even progressive, Left-wing parties for unionists?

FFS - There must be more to Protestant working-class culture than flute bands and right wing politics?
 
Unread 28-02-2018, 03:12 PM
TripDownMiseryLane
 
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How can there be no socialist or even progressive, Left-wing parties for unionists?

FFS - There must be more to Protestant working-class culture than flute bands and right wing politics?
That's the whole point of the imperial policy of divide and rule, to try to ensure that there is no unity along class lines and the southern establishment are completely in accord with it. The idea that the 6 counties could be absorbed into the failed southern state is an absurd notion.
 
Unread 28-02-2018, 03:37 PM
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That's the whole point of the imperial policy of divide and rule, to try to ensure that there is no unity along class lines and the southern establishment are completely in accord with it. The idea that the 6 counties could be absorbed into the failed southern state is an absurd notion.
Working-class Protestants in Northern Ireland don't have to vote for the unionist parties. They choose to vote for these stone-age tribalists.

I'm sure the vast majority of Unionists aren't bigoted but the parties they vote for are.


One other thought...

If young, working-class Protestants don't feel that the mainstream unionist parties properly represent their interests why don't they form a party that properly represents their views and stop voting for parties that dont?

I suppose the great irony is that the only way the Protestant working class will make any progress is to make links with the working class elsewhere in Ireland who suffer the same sort of injustices that they do.

I've had it suggested to me on here before though that the Protestant working class have a completely different idea of what "working class" entails when compared to any other working class people in the UK.

The argument being that working class is more associated with disadvantaged or underclass, but historically even the lowest Protestant or Presbyterian was above 80% of the rest of his Irish countrymen in Ireland until partition. And then again above the Catholic population in Northern Ireland.

Historically they were a shoe-in for well paid manufacturing jobs at places like Harland and Woolfe and Shorts etc - where fathers and sons worked in these places for entire careers, and there were no Catholics (or very very few). Now that life-long job security is gone (with much of the manufacturing) - no wonder they're up in arms. I suppose all they really want is for it to be back the way it was, where they were given a completely undeserved advantage and 50% of the population was oppressed. But thankfully those days have gone.

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Unread 28-02-2018, 05:34 PM
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Orange privilege
 
Unread 28-02-2018, 05:50 PM
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Orange privilege
Yeah, that's a good expression.

At the moment they're coming across like white South Africans bellyaching about black economic empowerment initiatives. Unfortunately for them though their historical creed of ethnic preference is no longer constitutionally mandated and they don't bloody like it. No sympathy from me i'm afraid.

The prods need to accept reality and live with it. They cannot force the UK to protect their desire to live in the past and just like Whites in South Africa they are going to have to live with the majority and deal with the consequences of a history that has been mostly on their side
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