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Old 25-02-2018, 10:07 AM
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Lot of bitterness after the civil war, both sides of my family had fought in the British army during the First World War. Were treated as second class citizens in the new free state. I have photos of my grandad and my father and uncle in their blue shirts. Lots of fighting between republicans and blue shirts, cudgels, hurls and the odd gun mad f***ers.

Bloody hell, I'd not thought of that.

I presumed that in the counties that would eventually make up the Republic, people were either Pro the treaty or anti the treaty as they wanted the whole of the island.

I'd not factored in that some might have prefered the staus quo.

If your family were Blueshirts though, doesn't that mean that they became free staters?
 
Old 25-02-2018, 10:44 AM
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There was talk of invading the Isle of Man a while back but it looked like it fizzled out
 
Old 25-02-2018, 10:57 AM
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There was talk of invading the Isle of Man a while back but it looked like it fizzled out


Operation Sea Lion

I thought you were taking the piss until i googled it?
 
Old 25-02-2018, 11:49 AM
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There was talk of invading the Isle of Man a while back but it looked like it fizzled out


That Rockall fella had the right idea God bless him
 
Old 25-02-2018, 12:12 PM
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That Rockall fella had the right idea God bless him


Scottish isn't it?
 
Old 25-02-2018, 12:25 PM
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Lot of bitterness after the civil war, both sides of my family had fought in the British army during the First World War. Were treated as second class citizens in the new free state. I have photos of my grandad and my father and uncle in their blue shirts. Lots of fighting between republicans and blue shirts, cudgels, hurls and the odd gun mad f***ers.
My grandad fought in WW2. Mind you, he was living over there.

I remember reading a novel as a kid about an Irish smuggler recruited by british intelligence who played them off against the germans and being shocked Ireland weren't at war with the Nazis.
 
Old 25-02-2018, 12:33 PM
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My grandad fought in WW2. Mind you, he was living over there.

I remember reading a novel as a kid about an Irish smuggler recruited by british intelligence who played them off against the germans and being shocked Ireland weren't at war with the Nazis.
That was down to DeValera, referred to ww2 as the emergency, meanwhile tens of thousands of Irishmen enlisted and fought the nazis, my uncle included. The Irish people who fought in the great wars are only now getting the recognition they deserved.
 
Old 25-02-2018, 01:04 PM
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Lot of bitterness after the civil war, both sides of my family had fought in the British army during the First World War. Were treated as second class citizens in the new free state. I have photos of my grandad and my father and uncle in their blue shirts. Lots of fighting between republicans and blue shirts, cudgels, hurls and the odd gun mad f***ers.
I've just learned that although during the first world war all of Ireland was within the United Kingdom, Irishman were exempt from conscription.

I wonder why were they exempt? I am guessing that maybe attempts to conscript Irishmen at that time might have been resisted with widespread violence, but that's just a guess.

Perhaps it would have taken so many British soldiers (away from the war) to supress what might have resulted in an uprising that it made sense not to have conscription?.

Anyway what it does mean is that your family joined up from their own free will rebelcountyred, mind you i guess you already knew that.
 
Old 25-02-2018, 02:22 PM
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My grandad fought in WW2. Mind you, he was living over there.

I remember reading a novel as a kid about an Irish smuggler recruited by british intelligence who played them off against the germans and being shocked Ireland weren't at war with the Nazis.
absolute shithouses. a disgrace.
 
Old 25-02-2018, 03:05 PM
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Really ric?

Absolutely no it doesn't. Anyone who still harbors any bitterness does so out of recreational choice. Or because they are exceptionally old.
Doesn't it still define your politics to a not insignificant extent?
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