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Old 17-10-2017, 09:43 AM
Lazlo Panaflex
 
Default Based on your credentials, AI could decide which person should die

if someone needs to die, or risk dying. ATM this applies to self driving car accidents.

https://theoutline.com/post/2401/wha...erage-human-do

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To better understand what sort of moral agent his team had created, we asked Procaccia who his AI would kill in a list of scenarios ranging from straightforward to fraught.

Some of its answers were intuitive. If the choice comes down to running over one person or two, it will choose to kill just one.

At other times, its answers seem to hold a dark mirror to society’s inequities.
If the AI must kill either a criminal or a person who is not a criminal, for instance, it will kill the criminal.

And if it must kill either a homeless person or a person who is not homeless, it will kill the homeless person.
Interesting.

Wonder if it can decide based if you have a job/family or not
 
Old 17-10-2017, 09:46 AM
red red robbo
 
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if someone needs to die, or risk dying. ATM this applies to self driving car accidents.

https://theoutline.com/post/2401/wha...erage-human-do



Interesting.

Wonder if it can decide based if you have a job/family or not
Whether or not you voted for brexit?

The problem with basing the decision on the choices of human beings is that human beings are terrible at making the right choices. We make decisions based on instinct and feeling rather than cold hard facts. If we are moving towards an autonomous world then we don't want to make it work like the old biological one, we want it to work better. We should decide what the parameters of the decision are going to be and make the AI select according to the best outcome for society as a whole. This work will obviously have to be undertaken with people who are way to the right on the autism scale so that no sentimentality works its way in to the basic decision making engine.

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Old 17-10-2017, 09:51 AM
andyroo
 
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United or Liverpool?
 
Old 17-10-2017, 10:13 AM
MonkeyOnMyBack
 
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if someone needs to die, or risk dying. ATM this applies to self driving car accidents.

And if it must kill either a homeless person or a person who is not homeless, it will kill the homeless person.
Why kill the homeless person? Surely s/he's had enough bad luck.
 
Old 17-10-2017, 10:21 AM
jem
 
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Whether or not you voted for brexit?

The problem with basing the decision on the choices of human beings is that human beings are terrible at making the right choices. We make decisions based on instinct and feeling rather than cold hard facts. If we are moving towards an autonomous world then we don't want to make it work like the old biological one, we want it to work better. We should decide what the parameters of the decision are going to be and make the AI select according to the best outcome for society as a whole. This work will obviously have to be undertaken with people who are way to the right on the autism scale so that no sentimentality works its way in to the basic decision making engine.
no surprise the remain vote goes to a faceless machine making decisions about what's best for society.


might be an idea to design machines that prevent accidents so they don't have choose between victims, though. car crashes are not inevitable.
 
Old 17-10-2017, 10:22 AM
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Old 17-10-2017, 10:23 AM
Cream
 
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Why kill the homeless person? Surely s/he's had enough bad luck.
The homeless person has street smarts. It will fight tooth an nail to ameliorate its predicament.

It knows how to improvise in order to combat extreme weather conditions. It is highly mobile and aggressive: with no family ties to hold it back.

So, if we're looking towards a doomsday scenario, AI is always going to favour the homeless warrior over some fat cuck lumbered with screaming brats and nagging wife.
 
Old 17-10-2017, 10:30 AM
MonkeyOnMyBack
 
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might be an idea to design machines that prevent accidents so they don't have choose between victims, though. car crashes are not inevitable.
That would be the eventual aim. But if sharing the road at any points, pedestrian / cyclist / cat crossing errors would still be hard to eliminate initially.
 
Old 17-10-2017, 10:32 AM
red red robbo
 
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no surprise the remain vote goes to a faceless machine making decisions about what's best for society.


might be an idea to design machines that prevent accidents so they don't have choose between victims, though. car crashes are not inevitable.
Typical disconnection from the real world of a leave voter there. Things will always go wrong, nothing is infallible. If you fail to plan for every eventuality then you end up with, well Operation Enduring Clusterf***, otherwise known as, The UK's attempts to negotiate its exit from the EU.
 
Old 17-10-2017, 10:32 AM
MonkeyOnMyBack
 
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The homeless person has street smarts. It will fight tooth an nail to ameliorate its predicament.

It knows how to improvise in order to combat extreme weather conditions. It is highly mobile and aggressive: with no family ties to hold it back.

So, if we're looking towards a doomsday scenario, AI is always going to favour the homeless warrior over some fat cuck lumbered with screaming brats and nagging wife.
Jesus, you want to program the AI as a centrist dad.
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