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Old 18-05-2017, 06:59 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Which is proof of nothing beyond a predeliction for hopeful punts should half an opportunity arise.
they're discs on a green backdrop. it's impossible from that to determine whether or not they were hopeful punts. one of them was the best shot of the game. you might as well say arie haan was the master of long hopeful punts. or nelinho.

we retreated in that game from what i recall. just like we did in the juanfield game. this season we were widely condemned for the performance at anfield but for me it was almost the perfect away game up to about 60 minutes (iirc) when zlatan blew it. we pretty much controlled it and played much of the first half on the front foot inside their half.

basically possession stats are usually meaningless. even in barcelona games they don't tell you much these days, since most teams begin with the clear intention of capitalising on the potential weaknesses of that plan.
 
Old 18-05-2017, 08:29 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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possession stats don't tell you how you played, they tell you who officially had the ball and how long for in total. pointless in roughly 95.8% of times they're quoted.

shots at goal usually tell you more about the actual flow of a game. ours are on the right in that 1-0 smash and grab last season.

Which is a large indication of how you play. Obviously high possession usually comes from playing out from the back and trying to dominate the game. Hence if you look at the average team possession across a season it correlates very strongly with which teams push higher up and which teams drop off and/or play more directly. Anyway, open to interpretation/manipulation I guess.

Speaking of which, I remember last season when people couldn't wait to post stats about how we passed the ball sideways and backward more than any team in the league. Obviously negating to mention that Barca and Bayern have the same status in their league, and Allardyce's Sunderland and Pulis' West Brom were in competition for the most forward passes.
 
Old 18-05-2017, 08:54 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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Which is a large indication of how you play. Obviously high possession usually comes from playing out from the back and trying to dominate the game. Hence if you look at the average team possession across a season it correlates very strongly with which teams push higher up and which teams drop off and/or play more directly. Anyway, open to interpretation/manipulation I guess.

Speaking of which, I remember last season when people couldn't wait to post stats about how we passed the ball sideways and backward more than any team in the league. Obviously negating to mention that Barca and Bayern have the same status in their league, and Allardyce's Sunderland and Pulis' West Brom were in competition for the most forward passes.
tbf the reason we were in competition for forward passes with those sides was because we could barely get over the halfway line without going straight back to smalling again unless we by-passed midfield
 
Old 18-05-2017, 09:37 PM
jem
 
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is there any data on the number of times throb mentions smalling?
 
Old 18-05-2017, 09:42 PM
Clarkie
 
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is there any data on the number of times throb mentions smalling?
Can compare it with Smalling's mistakes per match ratio...Might be interesting
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