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Old 30-04-2017, 05:04 PM
utd99
 
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Noon kicks offs are bad enough in themselves.

But expecting us to turn up in one and play our best after a draining derby on Thursday night is little short of ridiculous.

Moronic, even obscene, scheduling by the authorities.

As I said in the main match thread, would any other major European league mess their big clubs around like this?
You do realise of course that reeling off a list of excuses preceded by a "no excuses, but.." doesn't negate them, right? We also had a million excuses at the ready when we were actually decent and actually winning things; we just didn't need them.
 
Old 30-04-2017, 05:18 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Yes, we aren't as good now as when we were winning everything. Anything else to tell us?
 
Old 30-04-2017, 05:32 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
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You do realise of course that reeling off a list of excuses preceded by a "no excuses, but.." doesn't negate them, right? We also had a million excuses at the ready when we were actually decent and actually winning things; we just didn't need them.
talking of when we used to win stuff, i heard and read loads of people saying we'd never have played like we did at city when we used to win stuff.

how fantastic the 07/08 team was compared to this, they say.

barcelona 0 manchester united 0
 
Old 30-04-2017, 05:37 PM
utd99
 
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Yes, we aren't as good now as when we were winning everything. Anything else to tell us?
Only that excuses tend not to assist in regaining that status, only prolonging the current one.
 
Old 30-04-2017, 06:25 PM
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talking of when we used to win stuff, i heard and read loads of people saying we'd never have played like we did at city when we used to win stuff.

how fantastic the 07/08 team was compared to this, they say.

barcelona 0 manchester united 0
Fergie got called out for it, plus that was against peak Barca. not a middling Manchester City.
 
Old 30-04-2017, 06:31 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Fergie got "called out" for trying it a few years later against city and failing.
 
Old 30-04-2017, 06:44 PM
dunk
 
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talking of when we used to win stuff, i heard and read loads of people saying we'd never have played like we did at city when we used to win stuff.

how fantastic the 07/08 team was compared to this, they say.

barcelona 0 manchester united 0
Was that the game in which we missed one penalty, should've had another and offered a threat on the break, throughout, and should probably have won?
 
Old 30-04-2017, 07:14 PM
utd99
 
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talking of when we used to win stuff, i heard and read loads of people saying we'd never have played like we did at city when we used to win stuff.

how fantastic the 07/08 team was compared to this, they say.

barcelona 0 manchester united 0
It's a fair point, but it's never quite clear where pragmatism ends and fear begins. When we got our first corner at the Etihad and had three players in the box, the first thing I thought was 'uh oh'..
 
Old 30-04-2017, 07:34 PM
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Fergie got called out for it, plus that was against peak Barca. not a middling Manchester City.
yes, by fucking idiots.
 
Old 30-04-2017, 08:04 PM
Jammy Dodger
 
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When you're challenging for trophies you play lots of games, simple. We've revelled in it previously.
Are you suggesting Fergie never complained publicly about it?

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You do realise of course that reeling off a list of excuses preceded by a "no excuses, but.." doesn't negate them, right? We also had a million excuses at the ready when we were actually decent and actually winning things; we just didn't need them.
Yes, a winning mentality can overcome such obstacles. As can squad rotation. Doesn't mean there isn't a cost involved. How many careers were f**ked after we won the treble in 99? How many players are suffering injuries now as a result?

A manager can complain and make points publicly whilst telling the players to stop whinging and overcome the issue. Which I'm sure was what Fergie used to do.

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