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Old 26-10-2010, 12:43 AM
Happy Camper
 
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Originally Posted by moransbleedinghead
I'm not contesting the penalties claims, but it is noticabale that the number of sendings off against Arsenal has increased considerably, since Wenger increased his ranting druign last season, and that's what my point is. Decision's for and agianst United are irrelevant to my point.

However, saying as how a debate seems to be starting about decisions involving United I'll offer this .

Of Course we get decisions in our favour, Nev yesterday being a very good example, but how often do we end up playing against 10 men compared to Arsenal, or worse Liverpool during the season they finished second.
Oh dear, going back a few years to highlight refereeing decisions is quite scary and definitely shows the type of 'everyone's against us' mentality i originally mentioned.

Some fans are ok with that to be honest pal, goes with the grain in general and definitely no offence intended. I'd rather be realistic though.
 
Old 26-10-2010, 12:56 AM
Grimson
 
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper
Logically, Arsenal face a more hard line approach from teams.
I don't think that's it really.

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Originally Posted by Coracao
If you try and walk the ball in, you're more likely to get penalties tbf.
I think it's that.

They do keep possession very well, so you're going to draw more fouls (and, logically, penalties and red cards) that way.
 
Old 26-10-2010, 02:00 AM
moransbleedinghead
 
Default Re: Arsenal statistics so far

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Originally Posted by Happy Camper
Oh dear, going back a few years to highlight refereeing decisions is quite scary and definitely shows the type of 'everyone's against us' mentality i originally mentioned.

Some fans are ok with that to be honest pal, goes with the grain in general and definitely no offence intended. I'd rather be realistic though.
oh ffs, Arsenal have recently being the benficiaries of an unusually high number of sending off for opposition players, I contend that the refs are being "kinder" to Arsenal following Wenger's whingeing. Is it you contention that they just being lucky, or that they indeed the victims of nasty brutes?


What happens to United is irrelevant in this debate.
 
Old 26-10-2010, 06:37 AM
borsuk
 
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they've brought in chamakh and he's very good at 'winning' penalties. some of them have been ridiculously soft. it doesn't matter how much they pass the ball around, 9 in 13 games is silly.

even if teams play more physically against arsenal (not true imo) that would generally affect what happens outside the area in midfield battles and so on, not in the penalty area where players are leery of fouling, resulting in more red cards, not more penalties.
 
Old 26-10-2010, 08:04 AM
MUFC One Love
 
Default Re: Arsenal statistics so far

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they've brought in chamakh and he's very good at 'winning' penalties. some of them have been ridiculously soft. it doesn't matter how much they pass the ball around, 9 in 13 games is silly.

even if teams play more physically against arsenal (not true imo) that would generally affect what happens outside the area in midfield battles and so on, not in the penalty area where players are leery of fouling, resulting in more red cards, not more penalties.
What do you make of Chamakh? He seems to lack something for me, thought he might be the answer to them as a top striker (Van Persie is always injured and I wouldn't say he's an out and out striker).
 
Old 26-10-2010, 08:26 AM
BryanRobson'sLiver
 
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Lies, damn lies and statistics. I don't think I have seen a penalty for Arsenal this season where I have thought that it was a horrific div,e the issue is that they place the ball around the box so much that eventually they are going to get them. When was the last time you saw an Arsenal play Playstation one in from 30 yards? They just don't do it they pass the ball to death instead.
You have to say as well that if winning penatlies is their game plan and they're only scoring two thirds of them then there's something wrong on the training pitch.

The red cards thing could very well be wenger's constant moaning but to be fair that is the way that he plays his mind games and its not like we can complain about a manager doing that.
 
Old 26-10-2010, 08:29 AM
Switching Off
 
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Granted the stat is high for anyone, but you'd expect them to be up there re pens for. Like that scouse woman on the old Sun ad, "90% of pens at OT are for the home team". No shit, get in our box more often then
 
Old 26-10-2010, 08:41 AM
Argentina
 
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The Joe Cole sending off was soft, but I think it's more the way football is going.

The USA 94 World Cup was where you just booked for a relatively bad tackle, now after this last World Cup, that same thing that would have drawn a yellow is getting a red a la Joe Cole's.

Even getting the ball isn't enough to avoid getting a red card
 
Old 26-10-2010, 09:12 AM
Zorg
 
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I think it's pretty obvious that attacking teams get more penalties.

That's why the ABU 'no-one ever gets a penalty at Old Trafford' claim is so stupid. Stick ten men behind the ball and defend and you won't get penalties. Attack, and you will - as teams often do, despite the claim.
 
Old 26-10-2010, 09:22 AM
thatsfuctit
 
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Granted the stat is high for anyone, but you'd expect them to be up there re pens for. Like that scouse woman on the old Sun ad, "90% of pens at OT are for the home team". No shit, get in our box more often then
it used to be more like, try getting out of your own half for a start.
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