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Old 21-09-2010, 08:14 AM
borsuk
 
Exclamation german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

over a 50% 'top-game' surcharge for their derby at the weekend. i suppose it's easier to mobilise people for an egregious one-off surcharge than a steady increase over a period of several years but still, it puts 'g&g' in perspective.

the bundesliga puts the premier league to shame in so many ways. english clubs, national sides, leagues and fans could really do with learning a bit from their german equivalents.

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The most explosive match on the German soccer calendar has seen its fair share of scandals and shenanigans over the last few years -- from hundreds of inflatable p****es in the stands, to stolen fan banners, to cyberattacks on Schalke 04's official club Web site, to even mass brawls between rival supporters in provincial train stations.

On Sept. 19, the 77th Revierderby between Schalke and BV Borussia Dortmund will set another remarkable precedent: A significant section of Borussia supporters will boycott the game in the Veltins-Arena. For the first time in decades, there will be huge gaps in the away fans' section.

The BVB fans' decision not to take up tickets for one of the most important games of the season is not an attempt to push their heavily indebted rivals further toward administration, however.

"This shouldn't be seen as an attack on Schalke 04 or anyone else," said Marc Quambusch, one of the organizers of the boycott. The Dortmund fans were making a more principled stand, he explained to SI.com: "We are not prepared to accept the unreasonable hiking of ticket prices and have therefore decided to say enough is enough."

Schalke is demanding a special 50 percent "top-game surcharge" for the derby. A ticket for the stands costs $25, and seated places range from $56 to $84. Last year, the equivalent ticket for the terrace was $16. Both home and away fans have been hit by this hefty increase. Supporters are wary that the "top-game surcharge" is really being used to usher in higher prices on a much wider scale.

"When the derby ticket prices were announced in the summer, we got angry," said Quambusch, the chairman of BVB supporters group, Borussen Sailors Hamburg. "For many students and younger people, that's just too expensive. So we decided to do something against that. When Dortmund agreed to take back derby tickets that had already been sold under the 'away season ticket scheme,' we knew this protest could really work."

Two hundred fan groups have aligned themselves with the boycott since, and more than 1,000 tickets -- about 1/5 of Dortmund's total allocation for the match -- have already been returned, according to Quambusch. "The difference will be noticeable in the ground, especially in the standing areas," he said.

At Schalke, they are a little suspicious about the Dortmund fans' true motivation. "The timing of this initiative is somewhat unfortunate," said Rolf Rojek, the Royal Blues' former supporter liaison officer. "Because this is Schalke vs. Dortmund, everybody will think that this is about the rivalry, not something more fundamental."

Borussia manager Jürgen Klopp has not exactly helped the boycotters' cause, either, by flippantly linking the protest to Schalke's spending spree in the transfer window. "I think it's great our people don't go there to finance [new striker] Klaas-Jan Huntelaar," Klopp told the newspaper Bild.

Others have accused the no-show fans of hurting their team's chances. "We did consider that side of it," Quambusch said. "I can assure you, no one is happy to miss that match. But football is about more than one game and 22 players. We want to safeguard the game's future. We want to make sure that football will remain affordable. If we simply accept higher prices, we'll end up like the Premier League, where young people are priced out and the crowd is getting older and older. Then we will also lose our unique atmosphere and all the people who support their team by making banners or staging choreographies."

Relatively cheap ticket prices, as well as fan-friendly stadiums with terraces and the right to consume beer, have given the Bundesliga plenty of good press over the last couple of years. This situation amounts to both an "opportunity and obligation" for the German league, the boycott organizers argue on their Web site, www.keinzwanni.de (the name stands for "Kein Zwanni für nen Steher!" or, in English, "20 euros for standing -- no way!").

"Forcing out lower-income groups and financially weak young" would do real long-term damage to the game's popularity, they write. "Once you lose the 20-year-olds, that's it," Quambusch said. "They won't come back when they're 40."

The derby boycott was only a starting point, he argued. Quambusch wants supporters of all professional clubs to get behind the initiative and to pressure clubs into ensuring a fair pricing structure. Supporters from Aachen have been in touch and there will be an article on the protest in the next Hamburg supporters fanzine.

"The German Football League recently stressed that Germany has the lowest ticket prices in comparison with other top four leagues, and rightly so," Daniel Lörcher, a member of the Dortmund fan group The Unity, told 11 Freunde magazine. "But this will only remain the case if someone stands up now and says that we don't have to tag along with the madness that's happening in other countries."

By voting with their feet -- or their wallets, to be more precise -- the supporters have sent a powerful message: The laws of "supply and demand" must be kept in check in order to secure a viable future for the Bundesliga.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz109KmPD7N

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also here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...em/8986321.stm
 
Old 21-09-2010, 09:35 AM
Zorg
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

Yep, and those of us who have spent five years trying to point out the potential of a one-match mass boycott have been laughed at, ridiculed and told to f*** off.
 
Old 21-09-2010, 11:19 AM
Bunker Buster
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

what dates west brom at home ?
 
Old 21-09-2010, 12:54 PM
red red robbo
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

Yeah, well the Germans have always been good at organising things

TBH German fans are probably a lot more clued up than the majority in this country. their entire league system is much more sympathetic to fans than over here.
 
Old 21-09-2010, 10:17 PM
Wez
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

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Originally Posted by Bunker Buster
what dates west brom at home ?


Bunker Buster's back
 
Old 24-09-2010, 07:41 PM
Diffidati
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

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Originally Posted by red red robbo
Yeah, well the Germans have always been good at organising things

TBH German fans are probably a lot more clued up than the majority in this country. their entire league system is much more sympathetic to fans than over here.
All german clubs are required to be 51% member owned, so this means the fans can have an impact on decisions made in the boardroom.

I dont think a mass boycott would ever be successfull at a premiership club. The mentality of the majority of fans in england is alot different to the rest of europe, where there is more fan identity and culture on the terraces. In the premier league there is no unity, fan culture is almost non existent and there are too many selfish c***s with a lack of balls who prefer to keep their head in the sand, e.g 95% of the old trafford crowd.
 
Old 25-09-2010, 07:37 AM
fix up look SHARPE
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

before we go OTT i wouldn't call it a stunning success.

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/104269196/Bongarts
 
Old 25-09-2010, 08:23 AM
waynes ear's
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

Quote:
Originally Posted by fix up look SHARPE
before we go OTT i wouldn't call it a stunning success.

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/104269196/Bongarts


not one penny
 
Old 25-09-2010, 09:48 AM
Bunker Buster
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

Quote:
Originally Posted by fix up look SHARPE
before we go OTT i wouldn't call it a stunning success.

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/104269196/Bongarts


they kicked off at the Bratwurst stall on the concourse at halftime...

not one euro.

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Old 25-09-2010, 04:08 PM
Tumescent Throb
 
Default Re: german fans organised a boycott inside a couple of months

the point about dortmund fans not paying for huntelaar shouldn't be overlooked

what's the average wage of your bundesliga side?

do you want to watch top players enough to pay more on the gate?

or do you want to have a beer, stand up, pay less, and watch lower paid footballers?

suppose none of these things are necessarily mutually exclusive, but then the money has to come from somewhere to pay the likes of Rooney 150k a week or whatever...
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