The midfield doesn't seem to work when Hargreaves plays does it?

Hargreaves is fully fit.

Anderson still hasn't scored; United need Scholes match fit as soon as possible, so that's why he's playing no doubt.


http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showth...ght=Hargreaves

Originally Posted by legendary saf

Yep

Crushed Carricks confidence today by dropping him for that headless chicken

Good job SAF, now we have to endure a moody and lazy Carrick for another few weeks till his game picks up again.

You are an utter spoilt @#%&! but that is a good post.

That would have hurt Carrick today. Just as he was hitting his top form again.

Originally Posted by MUFC One Love

As someone said. Carrick does the same 'defensive' work but doesn't charge around to do it, he is clever and a joy to watch on the ball.

Absolutely superb tackle late on by Carrick as Spurs were trying to break under pressure. May even have led to the corner we scored from, I'm not sure.

W/ Hargreaves as starter:
0-1 (A 06 City)
1-0 (H 11 Spurs)
1-0 (H 16 Sunderland)
4-1 (H 14 Boro)
2-2 (A 01 Arsenal)
2-0 (H 08 Blackburn)
0-1 (A 13 Bolton)
2-0 (H 19 Fulham)
1-0 (A 07 Liverpool)
1-2 (A 10 West Ham)
2-0 (A 17 Reading)
1-1 (A 11 Spurs)

12 Played
17 For (1.42)
08 Against (0.67)
58% Away, 42% Home
Average position: 11.01

W/O Hargreaves as starter:
0-0 (H 17 Reading)
1-1 (A 09 Portsmouth)
1-0 (A 04 Everton)
2-0 (H 03 Chelsea)
1-0 (A 18 Birmingham)
4-0 (H 15 Wigan)
4-1 (A 05 Villa)
4-1 (H 20 Derby)
2-1 (H 04 Everton)
4-0 (A 16 Sunderland)
1-0 (H 18 Birmingham)
6-0 (H 12 Newcastle)
2-0 (H 09 Portsmouth)

13 Played
32 For (2.46)
04 Against (0.31)
39% Away, 61% Home
Average position: 11.54

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

Hargreaves is fully fit.

Anderson still hasn't scored; United need Scholes match fit as soon as possible, so that's why he's playing no doubt.


http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showth...ght=Hargreaves

We are a better team with Anderson in it. We're a different unit altogether. He is some talent. Scholes and Hargreaves are hardly going to bag a lot are they/

I blame Fergie for Hargreaves patchy form, he's in and out like a tampon.
Carrick didn't start playing well until he had a run of games together, he's now looking like he was last year. Hargreaves has never had this.

Originally Posted by Serenity Now

W/ Hargreaves:
0-1 (A 06 City)
1-0 (H 11 Spurs)
1-0 (H 16 Sunderland)
4-1 (H 14 Boro)
2-2 (A 01 Arsenal)
2-0 (H 08 Blackburn)
0-1 (A 13 Bolton)
2-0 (H 19 Fulham)
1-0 (A 07 Liverpool)
1-2 (A 10 West Ham)
2-0 (A 17 Reading)
1-1 (A 11 Spurs)

12 Played
17 For (1.42)
08 Against (0.67)
58% Away, 42% Home
Average position: 11.01

W/O Hargreaves:
0-0 (H 17 Reading)
1-1 (A 09 Portsmouth)
1-0 (A 04 Everton)
2-0 (H 03 Chelsea)
1-0 (A 18 Birmingham)
4-0 (H 15 Wigan)
4-1 (A 05 Villa)
4-1 (H 20 Derby)
2-1 (H 04 Everton)
4-0 (A 16 Sunderland)
1-0 (H 18 Birmingham)
6-0 (H 12 Newcastle)
2-0 (H 09 Portsmouth)

13 Played
32 For (2.46)
04 Against (0.31)
39% Away, 61% Home
Average position: 11.54

Hehe.

Almost double the amount of goals when Hargreaves doesn't play?

That's a pretty strong stat.

you can make stats say what you want them to say

Originally Posted by chorleyred

you can make stats say what you want them to say

Exactly, Ronaldo only has 3 assists so he's a greedy £#%&!.

Originally Posted by Redhod99

It was me, hes similar to Ferdinand in that respect, reads the game and is already there, whereas Hargeaves would be chasing it. I like Hargreaves but he does one job, plays deep in a 3/5 man midfield and breaks up play whilst others bomb forward. He will never work in a 4 man midfield.

Yep, it's a problem with English football. Rio is a world class defender and 'cos he is so good doesn't have to dive in and chase, but 'cos "Carra" and "JT" dive about due to their lack of ability their seen as great defenders and BETTER than Rio which is funny as £#%&!. Carrick is a joy to watch. He has been frustrating at times this season but that's down to confidence, he has got his confidence back and when he is confidence he is majestic, a true United player ability wise.

Originally Posted by Rhodzy

I blame Fergie for Hargreaves patchy form, he's in and out like a tampon.
Carrick didn't start playing well until he had a run of games together, he's now looking like he was last year. Hargreaves has never had this.

Your right, the problem is that there is no settled centre mid partnership. It is the most important part of the pitch along with the 2 centre halves and look at our defence wit Vidic and Rio there every week. The same 2 need to play unless there are injuries and that for me is Anderson and Carrick

Without wanting to sound stupid, what does 'average position' mean?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Without wanting to sound stupid, what does 'average position' mean?

Average league position of the opponents I think.

I see. To be fair, it's worth mentioning that he's played in more of the away games.

Harsh to single out hargreaves today.

The attacking players were dreadful.

Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Giggs.

When was the last time they were so ineffective.

The stats quoted are a bit £#%&!ing misleading to say the least.

Originally Posted by Coracao

Harsh to single out hargreaves today.

The attacking players were dreadful.

Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Giggs.

When was the last time they were so ineffective.

The stats quoted are a bit £#%&!ing misleading to say the least.

I agree, I dont think anyone is singling him out, just saying the team doesnt look right with him in it

Originally Posted by Coracao

Harsh to single out hargreaves today.

The attacking players were dreadful.

Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Giggs.

When was the last time they were so ineffective.

The stats quoted are a bit £#%&!ing misleading to say the least.

Exactly, he seems to be the scapegoat for everything which is very harsh.

I thought Giggs was our worse player today tbh. Shocking.

Originally Posted by Rhodzy

Exactly, he seems to be the scapegoat for everything which is very harsh.

agreed. great playr