Non United transfer thread

Originally Posted by Sloane

eh lads dont worry, july 1st tomorrow.
25million
plus the 80 ronaldo money
just a matter of time before gill starts throwing money and other clubs




















or not

They've got plenty of money but there's no value to be had. They'll wait until January but wont buy then as the players we want will still be in the big competitions and their clubs wont want to sell then.

ferguson has never swayed from what he said at the end of the season: that he's happy with the squad, bar a bit of tweaking. you can believe him or not, as you wish, but all the 'we need so and so' and 'we're weak in such and such a position' is from fans who, truth be told, have never gone into a summer saying 'let's not buy anyone'. fergie has been entirely consistent whether, as i say, you believe him or not.

Originally Posted by borsuk

ferguson has never swayed from what he said at the end of the season: that he's happy with the squad, bar a bit of tweaking. you can believe him or not, as you wish, but all the 'we need so and so' and 'we're weak in such and such a position' is from fans who, truth be told, have never gone into a summer saying 'let's not buy anyone'. fergie has been entirely consistent whether, as i say, you believe him or not.

What happened to improving from a position of strength?

Oh that's right, the stream of youngsters we've had coming through mean there's been plenty of times when we haven't needed anyone...

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

What happened to improving from a position of strength?

Oh that's right, the stream of youngsters we've had coming through mean there's been plenty of times when we haven't needed anyone...

we've signed two players so far and none have left. i can't really comment on smalling but hernandez looks a gem. certainly far far more impressive in the world cup than silva, for example.

inevitably, the takeover means everything is interpreted in the light of the debt, so any time we don't buy someone it appears to be assumed that we wanted to but couldn't on, as far as i can see, no evidence whatsoever.

not sure what the comment about youngsters is all about tbh. nothing i'd like more than to see two or three youngsters come through next season.

Originally Posted by borsuk

we've signed two players so far and none have left. i can't really comment on smalling but hernandez looks a gem. certainly far far more impressive in the world cup than silva, for example.

inevitably, the takeover means everything is interpreted in the light of the debt, so any time we don't buy someone it appears to be assumed that we wanted to but couldn't on, as far as i can see, no evidence whatsoever.

not sure what the comment about youngsters is all about tbh. nothing i'd like more than to see two or three youngsters come through next season.

Foster and Tosic?

Originally Posted by THEOS

Foster and Tosic?

combined appearances? i mean, a few of the kids have been released, a few with some first team appearances have left as well but i don't think we've lost anybody who would actually have contributed next season even if they had stayed.

Originally Posted by THEOS

Foster and Tosic?

Berbatov, Vidic and 10000 fans?

Originally Posted by borsuk

we've signed two players so far and none have left. i can't really comment on smalling but hernandez looks a gem. certainly far far more impressive in the world cup than silva, for example.

inevitably, the takeover means everything is interpreted in the light of the debt, so any time we don't buy someone it appears to be assumed that we wanted to but couldn't on, as far as i can see, no evidence whatsoever.

not sure what the comment about youngsters is all about tbh. nothing i'd like more than to see two or three youngsters come through next season.

I think I'd base any comparison between Silva and Hernandez on what they've done in their careers to this point, not on 4 games in the World Cup.

My point is that fans are entitled to always want new signings at the end of the season, because a real fan what his team to progress, not regress.

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

I think I'd base any comparison between Silva and Hernandez on what they've done in their careers to this point, not on 4 games in the World Cup.

My point is that fans are entitled to always want new signings at the end of the season, because a real fan what his team to progress, not regress.

and my point is that progression isn't measured by who you buy, nor regression by who you don't.


on hernandez and silva, i think both are unknown quantities in terms of how they will suit the premier league. silva's a very good player but there is an element of flavour of the month about him this summer. hernandez looks great, who knows how it will turn out.

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

What happened to improving from a position of strength?

You have to be in a position of strength to begin with

Originally Posted by borsuk

and my point is that progression isn't measured by who you buy, nor regression by who you don't.


on hernandez and silva, i think both are unknown quantities in terms of how they will suit the premier league. silva's a very good player but there is an element of flavour of the month about him this summer. hernandez looks great, who knows how it will turn out.

You buy with the expectation of progress. If you make bad signings, or you don't buy anyone, you either stand still or get worse.

Look at City last season. They made some good signings and closed the gap on us significantly. Do you honestly believe they won't further close the gap if we don't improve?

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

If you make bad signings, or you don't buy anyone, you either stand still or get worse.

You're forgetting an important element - the development of young players already in the squad. We saw it last season with Nani and Evans.

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

Look at City last season. They made some good signings and closed the gap on us significantly.

no they didn't

i saw city three times last season. the two against United they were second best by a distance not reflected on the scoreboard

the other time they were pretty embarrassingly bad, although they did beat villa in the end


the season before last city actually beat united home and away if you recall


gap closed? not a lot. gap "significantly" closed? don't make me laugh.

Originally Posted by Grimson

You're forgetting an important element - the development of young players already in the squad. We saw it last season with Nani and Evans.

No. I just think that several are not good enough from what I've seen - Obertan, Diouf, Gibson and Welbeck. The best ones imo, Morrison and Pogba are too young to enter the first team, hence Fergie hasn't mentioned them in that context.

IMO we need to improve the first eleven, Hernandez and Smalling will be squad players next season.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

no they didn't

i saw city three times last season. the two against United they were second best by a distance not reflected on the scoreboard

the other time they were pretty embarrassingly bad, although they did beat villa in the end


the season before last city actually beat united home and away if you recall


gap closed? not a lot. gap "significantly" closed? don't make me laugh.

1 Manchester United (C) 38 28 6 4 68 24 +44 90
10 Manchester City 38 15 5 18 58 50 +8 50

2 Manchester United 38 27 4 7 86 28 +58 85
5 Manchester City 38 18 13 7 73 45 +28 67

Hope that doesn't 'make you laugh' . I prefer to rate teams based on a whole season - not on how they perform in two derbies .

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

1 Manchester United (C) 38 28 6 4 68 24 +44 90
10 Manchester City 38 15 5 18 58 50 +8 50

2 Manchester United 38 27 4 7 86 28 +58 85
5 Manchester City 38 18 13 7 73 45 +28 67

Hope that doesn't 'make you laugh' . I prefer to rate teams based on a whole season - not on how they perform in two derbies .

People will mock but they'll keep throwing money at it until they win something. I wonder will the same people be finding it so funny when they're surrounded by gloating bitters 24/7.

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

No. I just think that several are not good enough from what I've seen - Obertan, Diouf, Gibson and Welbeck. The best ones imo, Morrison and Pogba are too young to enter the first team, hence Fergie hasn't mentioned them in that context.

IMO we need to improve the first eleven, Hernandez and Smalling will be squad players next season.

Originally Posted by Liu Jian

1 Manchester United (C) 38 28 6 4 68 24 +44 90
10 Manchester City 38 15 5 18 58 50 +8 50

2 Manchester United 38 27 4 7 86 28 +58 85
5 Manchester City 38 18 13 7 73 45 +28 67

Hope that doesn't 'make you laugh' . I prefer to rate teams based on a whole season - not on how they perform in two derbies .

07/08 season

United 87pts
City 55pts

your point is turd



as i say, i saw City three times, including two derbies

raul!

So a 22-point swing in one season isn't significant...

You'd make a good politician with statements like that.