Looks like United are gonna go for Antonio Valencia in the summer.

Originally Posted by silv

where do you get that from?

Just my opinion, C&P'd out of my head.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I humbly disagree, we have Ronaldo in that position and he's almost certainly off, of the other two, Nani is in grave danger of being a completely wasted talent and park has great qualities but isn't quite good enough long term from a creative standpoint for me. I think we definitely need a wide player who can beat a man, cross and shoot and though Valencia is erratic at times, he has all the tools to develop into a top player at united and also has proven himself in the PL.

I'm judging our squad and assuming Ronaldo stays. I think he will. Nani played well against Derby and really just needs some games and confidence - nothing more. If Valencia came, it'd cause as many problems as it would solve because neither he or Nani would get anywhere near enough games and I'm sure the confident, man-beating Valencia would be replaced by a player who is desperately trying to make an impression and can't find form due to a lack of momentum. And for that fee? Forget it. Nowhere near important enough a position or good enough player to spend £18m on.

I don't think for a second that Valencia is anywhere near as talented as Nani and him being here would only mean that he gets half as many games. Park may not be the same kind of player, but he nevertheless plays in that area. You'd have four players vying for one spot and one has just been bought for £18m.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

I'm judging our squad and assuming Ronaldo stays. I think he will. Nani played well against Derby and really just needs some games and confidence - nothing more. If Valencia came, it'd cause as many problems as it would solve because neither he or Nani would get anywhere near enough games and I'm sure the confident, man-beating Valencia would be replaced by a player who is desperately trying to make an impression and can't find form due to a lack of momentum. And for that fee? Forget it. Nowhere near important enough a position or good enough player to spend £18m on.

I don't think for a second that Valencia is anywhere near as talented as Nani and him being here would only mean that he gets half as many games. Park may not be the same kind of player, but he nevertheless plays in that area. You'd have four players vying for one spot and one has just been bought for £18m.

I s'pose time'll tell but from what I've read it seems Fergie disagrees, suggestions he's already talked to Bruce about this and Bruce has said today he's going in the summer. We'll see I s'pose.

Bruce: "We rejected a loan deal from Real. We have a club in mind but that is five months off".

Must be us. Nft.

we need a top quality attacking central midfielder in the summer. somebody who can do what giggs has been doing but do it week in, week out for an entire season. as serenity says, there's no need for another wide player atm.


in the worst case scenario ronnie will stay unless and until real are looking like a winning side again. which may be a few years, the way things are looking.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I s'pose time'll tell but from what I've read it seems Fergie disagrees, suggestions he's already talked to Bruce about this and Bruce has said today he's going in the summer. We'll see I s'pose.

Not saying it won't happen. I just don't think it should. Nani deserves more time and more games and I honestly don't think Ronaldo is leaving this summer.

I think that kind of money could be better spent elsewhere.

Originally Posted by borsuk

we need a top quality attacking central midfielder in the summer. somebody who can do what giggs has been doing but do it week in, week out for an entire season. as serenity says, there's no need for another wide player atm.
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Maybe but if hargo returns from injury I can see him play in a two with Carrick and us playing a proper 4-4-2 in which case we'll need a quality winger either to replace Ronnie or to play on the other side from him. i'm just going off what I've read but I think this move is very much on and has been on the cards for a while.

Spot on Bedders.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Maybe but if hargo returns from injury I can see him play in a two with Carrick and us playing a proper 4-4-2 in which case we'll need a quality winger either to replace Ronnie or to play on the other side from him. i'm just going off what I've read but I think this move is very much on and has been on the cards for a while.

nani, park, tosic?

Nani will come good with games, NQAT

Originally Posted by silv

nani, park, tosic?

Nani will come good with games, NQAT

I hope you ae right on Nani, I've always said he is superbly talented but the player I've seen this season hasn't shown that enough. As I said about Park I think he has great attributes to add to the team but long term I'd want someone more creative. As to Tosic, I've no idea how he'll pan out. I'd be happy though to see Valencia who I think would come in make the wide right position his own and give us a great option on that side all season, not promise. Just my opinion though.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Maybe but if hargo returns from injury I can see him play in a two with Carrick and us playing a proper 4-4-2 in which case we'll need a quality winger either to replace Ronnie or to play on the other side from him. i'm just going off what I've read but I think this move is very much on and has been on the cards for a while.

Ronnie right, Tosic left. Sorted.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

Ronnie right, Tosic left. Sorted.

Hmmmm, he's gonna step in next season on the evidence of a tidy 20 minute cameo? Not saying he can't, just that I've not seen enough of him to be confident. I'd expect Nani to be ahead of him at that point though. I also think Ronnie is more effective on the left than the right.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Hmmmm, he's gonna step in next season on the evidence of a tidy 20 minute cameo? Not saying he can't, just that I've not seen enough of him to be confident. I'd expect Nani to be ahead of him at that point though. I also think Ronnie is more effective on the left than the right.

Not on the evidence of anything other than the fact that we've signed him and he's a member of our squad.

I just feel Nani deserves more of a chance. His performances have been undeniably poor, so is that it? We give up and sell? I don't think we could fairly do that until the lad is given more than a couple of games to show what he can do. Bit of a catch 22, I know, but if we don't invest time in these players then they'll never develop. The same thing would happen to Valencia if he signed and played as sporadically as Nani does. So sorry he got injured against Derby. Just a decent half of football saw his confidence shoot up and he looked much better. He just needs five games on the bounce and I would feel certain he would be flourishing by games four and five. It's very sad that this is almost too much to ask.

Who are the attacking midfielders who might be on the horizon by the way? Whoever they are they'll have to be a bit less lightweight than Modric and Arshavin I think. Ribery it seems may be off to Barca.

hargreaves can play the wide right role he had in the cl final, but i think ronnie, park, nani and tosic are plenty, tbh.

i think we need somebody who can carry the ball forward at pace in the centre. we've got a lot of players who can be a bit one-paced, a bit of a passing carousel at times. giggs has really shone this season because he's able to carry the ball forward with real intent. carrick has done it from time to time, anderson also, fletcher occasionally. but we need someone to do it consistently, and also chip in with goals from m/f.

imho.

of course, all that changes if ronnie or tevez goes, but then we'd have a shitload of cash to bring in adequate replacements (aguero? benzema?). as things stand i think we're very well covered out wide.

Taibi was unbelievably poor and was ditched. Nani should be too. Double standards etc.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

Not on the evidence of anything other than the fact that we've signed him and he's a member of our squad.

I just feel Nani deserves more of a chance. His performances have been undeniably poor, so is that it? We give up and sell? I don't think we could fairly do that until the lad is given more than a couple of games to show what he can do. Bit of a catch 22, I know, but if we don't invest time in these players then they'll never develop. The same thing would happen to Valencia if he signed and played as sporadically as Nani does. So sorry he got injured against Derby. Just a decent half of football saw his confidence shoot up and he looked much better. He just needs five games on the bounce and I would feel certain he would be flourishing by games four and five. It's very sad that this is almost too much to ask.

I'm not saying that we should write off Nani, I've always been positive about him. Thing is though it is hard at United to give players time to work out their game in mid-season. Very difficult to play him 5 games in a row if he is poor in the first 3. Seems this is why Park is first choice ahead of him and to me i'd rather have someone like valencia in ahead of Park for his attacking play.

Originally Posted by borsuk

hargreaves can play the wide right role he had in the cl final, but i think ronnie, park, nani and tosic are plenty, tbh.

i think we need somebody who can carry the ball forward at pace in the centre. we've got a lot of players who can be a bit one-paced, a bit of a passing carousel at times. giggs has really shone this season because he's able to carry the ball forward with real intent. carrick has done it from time to time, anderson also, fletcher occasionally. but we need someone to do it consistently, and also chip in with goals from m/f.

imho.

of course, all that changes if ronnie or tevez goes, but then we'd have a shitload of cash to bring in adequate replacements (aguero? benzema?). as things stand i think we're very well covered out wide.

I agree. Who was it who was recently saying that our central midfielders are a much of a muchness? The point came across terribly, but I think there was a good point underneath it all that suggested that all our central midfield players are pretty more 'all rounders' and we need a 'specialist' in there.

Personally, I think Anderson will become this player that you're talking about, Borsuk. He's just not there yet.

Originally Posted by borsuk

i think we need somebody who can carry the ball forward at pace in the centre. we've got a lot of players who can be a bit one-paced, a bit of a passing carousel at times. giggs has really shone this season because he's able to carry the ball forward with real intent. carrick has done it from time to time, anderson also, fletcher occasionally. but we need someone to do it consistently, and also chip in with goals from m/f.

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I think that's a role hargo can fill rather well personally, he's very quick, strong and showed against Roma I think how he can get beyond his forwards. I wouldn't want him playing wide if we could play a genuine wideman out there.

Borsuk, if Carlos goes, we get nothing. For what its worth, i think we will end up signing him. He has been fantastic this past month.