Video refereeing to be trialed in next years FA Cup

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Originally Posted by TheFatGoth

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But again, not for long as the VAR ruled out the goal - correctly again - for offside. Both decisions were technically correct. But that's not the point. For fans who support, suffer and celebrate with their teams live inside the stadium, it never has been.

Just the knowledge that a goal, penalty or red card isn't actually final until it's been double checked by a video referee acts as a huge break on the emotions – both euphoric and despairing – that make live football what it is.

It's why Borussia Dortmund supporters chanted "You're destroying our sport!" when their team twice benefitted from VAR decisions in their home game against Cologne in September.

It's why, in the final minute of their game against Bayern Munich, VfB Stuttgart supporters held a huge banner behind the goal where Chadrac Akolo was taking a penalty, awarded by the VAR, reading: "Abolish video referees!"

It's why Mainz supporters, ahead of a game against Cologne in which they were incorrectly awarded a penalty by the VAR, demanded: "Reclaim the game! Scrap VAR!"

Spot on. Germans leading the anti VAR movement is good to see.

At the moment we are seeing both of the two main problems. Referees will still make shit decisions even when equipped with a video. And the emotional fabric of the game is being destroyed. Overall, VAR will ensure that more correct decisions are made. But it will never eliminate contentious decisions or debate over decisions, and the cost of the spectacle is great. So it's just not worth it. Get rid asap.

it's just moving the arguments about interpretation along by one step. Unless they can determine exactly when the first atom of the passing players foot struck the first atom in the ball and exactly where the furthest atom of the attacking player was in relation to the defender and taking into account relativity you cant tell.

the decision was so marginal it was pointless. I wonder how many great goals of the past we would have missed out on by this kind of nitpicking? and how many great moments of euphoria?

just stop £#%&!ing about with the game.

Originally Posted by armchair

think i watched it on yank tv and they were saying knees were what counted not hands. i'd never heard that.

In that picture he is offside. It’s not the right picture though. If it’s going to get this technical then the instant the ball actually leaves Young’s foot is the right frame, and that’s further on. At that point Mata is clearly onside because he wasn’t moving but the first defender was.

Originally Posted by utd99

In that picture he is offside. It’s not the right picture though. If it’s going to get this technical then the instant the ball actually leaves Young’s foot is the right frame, and that’s further on. At that point Mata is clearly onside because he wasn’t moving but the first defender was.

i was pointing out how they used knees to decide in that pic. Watched the bt post match earlier and they are all talking about knees. Since when has it been about knees?

Honestly thing they are making shit up as they go along. Also it wasn't the ref of lino requested a review. Apparently the var team insisted on it.

Originally Posted by utd99

In that picture he is offside. It’s not the right picture though. If it’s going to get this technical then the instant the ball actually leaves Young’s foot is the right frame, and that’s further on. At that point Mata is clearly onside because he wasn’t moving but the first defender was.

This really isn't what offside is supposed to be about though. We know why the rule is there; it isn't because a players' toenail being off is detrimental to the game. What happened to that daylight idea that was being put about a while back?

Originally Posted by armchair

i was pointing out how they used knees to decide in that pic. Watched the bt post match earlier and they are all talking about knees. Since when has it been about knees?

Honestly thing they are making shit up as they go along. Also it wasn't the ref of lino requested a review. Apparently the var team insisted on it.

Well that certainly shouldn't be allowed

Neil £#%&!ing Swar#@&%!

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

This really isn't what offside is supposed to be about though. We know why the rule is there; it isn't because a players' toenail being off is detrimental to the game. What happened to that daylight idea that was being put about a while back?

or giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt. That used to be a thing.

Now it's hands don't count, knees are the ultimate arbiter. And they seem to be writing the rules as they go too.

Is it going to be every offside decision next season?

Originally Posted by armchair

or giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt. That used to be a thing.

Now it's hands don't count, knees are the ultimate arbiter. And they seem to be writing the rules as they go too.

Is it going to be every offside decision next season?

Yep. Very clear case of just letting it go for that reason. As you say, rules change as they go along.

Originally Posted by armchair

or giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt. That used to be a thing.

Now it's hands don't count, knees are the ultimate arbiter. And they seem to be writing the rules as they go too.

Is it going to be every offside decision next season?

Hands have never counted have they?

It has to be a body part that you are allowed to play the ball with.

Also the benefit to the attacker has been scrapped.

No idea about the daylight business.

In short, var is £#%&!ing shit

Originally Posted by armchair

or giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt. That used to be a thing.

Now it's hands don't count, knees are the ultimate arbiter. And they seem to be writing the rules as they go too.

Is it going to be every offside decision next season?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Yep. Very clear case of just letting it go for that reason. As you say, rules change as they go along.

You’re right. I’ve long thought that this was a can of worms they would regret opening, but it seems a combination of perpetually whinging managers -who only ever see the shit that goes against them anyway - and stuffed shirts at FIFA who have to constantly validate their existence have combined to push us over the edge.

Goal line technology is one thing; that’s already been tested in the tennis and is a clearly objective situation, but football has managed to survive and become the most popular sport in the world despite the subjectivity of the rest of it. Now they want to change that too, and it won’t be for the better.

We’ve already seen the conversation change to what the definition of a pass is and at what nanosecond it’s released, to what bodypart can or can’t be offside. Theoretically this attempt to turn subject into objective could reduce to a pixel of knee or fingernail with the right technology. Is this what we want football to be?

Originally Posted by utd99

You’re right. I’ve long thought that this was a can of worms they would regret opening, but it seems a combination of perpetually whinging managers -who only ever see the shit that goes against them anyway - and stuffed shirts at FIFA who have to constantly validate their existence have combined to push us over the edge.

Goal line technology is one thing; that’s already been tested in the tennis and is a clearly objective situation, but football has managed to survive and become the most popular sport in the world despite the subjectivity of the rest of it. Now they want to change that too, and it won’t be for the better.

We’ve already seen the conversation change to what the definition of a pass is and at what nanosecond it’s released, to what bodypart can or can’t be offside. Theoretically this attempt to turn subject into objective could reduce to a pixel of knee or fingernail with the right technology. Is this what we want football to be?

I do have quite a cynical theory, too. How long after VAR is potentially part of the game did some of those stuffed shirts envisage taking brief ad breaks? You have the audience's full attention and they won't be going anywhere. Perfect opportunity to extend the decision time enough to sell something.

If not, then surely chances are against it surviving? This isn't simple teething problems. People dislike it.

I think they are just trying to insert ad breaks.

They are pretending it's about reviewing decisions but it's really about an ad break.

Right now they are thinking, yeah it wasn't popular but people were willing to put up with it. Let's see how far we can go with this.

Originally Posted by armchair

I think they are just trying to insert ad breaks.

They are pretending it's about reviewing decisions but it's really about an ad break.

Right now they are thinking, yeah it wasn't popular but people were willing to put up with it. Let's see how far we can go with this.

Indian cricket as soon as there's a wicket it goes straight to an ad on half the screen so the replay is half screen.

I hope you’re both wrong, but I fear you’re not.

Could be the death knell for a lot of people, myself included; but quite honestly, was this evolution of football ever going to not properly alienate real supporters at some point? Does corporate greed ever not ruin all good things eventually?

they don't give a £#%&! about the people at the ground but they are testing how far they can push viewers.

I think they'll kill the game. It's already over heating with stupid numbers for transfer fees.

I want 90 minutes of football in approx 90 minutes not 3 hours.

Mad thing is if there is no var everyone is saying great decision.

Not against technology in the slightest the goal line tech is brilliant no delay instant decision keep on celebrating it probably adds abit to the game.

VAR is a £#%&!ing shambles and will ruin this game.

The game will be stopped so much and emotion will be taken out of the game when a team scores a goal and they look over and see a cretin touching his ear throwing the square shaped hand signal because some utter goon is checking some lines on the tv.

'Can we celebrate yet? '

£#%&! off.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

Indian cricket as soon as there's a wicket it goes straight to an ad on half the screen so the replay is half screen.

Lucky India. They don’t even keep the half screen in Oz. Full-on ad straight after a replay.

VAR now “apologising” for sending the wrong clip/frame but insisting the decision was the right one. A bit like the headline you get when a media favourite gets sent off for breaking a players leg. “@#%&!o apologises”... yep, to his team mates for leaving them a man down. Misses the point a bit.

It certainly needs some pretty strict criteria for being used, if it is going to be used at all. Yesterday's game did not meet that by any rational standard.