O'Shea - Sorry about this.

I thought O'Shea was shocking throughout and his continued 'first choice' status in our team is embarrassing.I know 'injuries barring' and that maybe he might not be first choice.But there's been games where Brown, Fabio, Rafael and Neville have been fit and he's been picked ahead of all of them.I don't get it.He's picked for what reason? "Oh, he'll be up against Carew/Kevin Davies and they're big lads so if Fabio plays, he'll be targetted" - Fair enough, but lets impose OUR £#%&!ing game.

Don't get me wrong: great servant, winner at Anfield, nut-megged Figo, some solid and committed performances etc but he's just not good enough and doesn't improve our team in any way.Squad player -yes, first team regular - no.

Offers nothing going forward anymore (first season apart tbh), poor positional sense, gets skinned easily, distribution as bad as I've seen at United etc.I mean, when he gets the ball today, he passed it sideways 3 yards to Fletcher and then pointed, as if to say "Get it forward,ffs!"

Sorry for this personal 'attack' but it's more frustration than anything else.

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

I thought O'Shea was shocking throughout and his continued 'first choice' status in our team is embarrassing.I know 'injuries barring' and that maybe he might not be first choice.But there's been games where Brown, Fabio, Rafael and Neville have been fit and he's been picked ahead of all of them.I don't get it.He's picked for what reason? "Oh, he'll be up against Carew/Kevin Davies and they're big lads so if Fabio plays, he'll be targetted" - Fair enough, but lets impose OUR £#%&!ing game.

Don't get me wrong: great servant, winner at Anfield, nut-megged Figo, some solid and committed performances etc but he's just not good enough and doesn't improve our team in any way.Squad player -yes, first team regular - no.

Offers nothing going forward anymore (first season apart tbh), poor positional sense, gets skinned easily, distribution as bad as I've seen at United etc.I mean, when he gets the ball today, he passed it sideways 3 yards to Fletcher and then pointed, as if to say "Get it forward,ffs!"

Sorry for this personal 'attack' but it's more frustration than anything else.

Thought he played quite well today myself! but yes normally he's gash!

You'll need somebody to check the opta stats but im pretty sure he had a higher percentage of successful tackles than anybody in the league last year. Defensively he's matured in to a fine player imo. Not as good at linking up down the right as other RBs we've had, but he's a good player and a credit to gays throughout football.

Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

Thought he played quite well today myself! but yes normally he's gash!

'Shocking' was too strong a word for today in all fairness.

But, still........the point stands - he's not good enough.

:shakehead:

Everytime i think O'shea played decent today a thread always pops up somewhere on him.

He linked up well, supported and defended well with valencia. Didnt do anything wrong. Very odd thread.

Originally Posted by Coracao

:shakehead:

Seconded.

I'm tired of having to defend him, it's not something that should be necessary.

o'shea played decent today. Got some decent crosses in as well.

Thought he was fine too, can't remember Chelsea getting much if any joy out of him.

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

I thought O'Shea was shocking throughout and his continued 'first choice' status in our team is embarrassing.I know 'injuries barring' and that maybe he might not be first choice.But there's been games where Brown, Fabio, Rafael and Neville have been fit and he's been picked ahead of all of them.I don't get it.He's picked for what reason? "Oh, he'll be up against Carew/Kevin Davies and they're big lads so if Fabio plays, he'll be targetted" - Fair enough, but lets impose OUR £#%&!ing game.

Don't get me wrong: great servant, winner at Anfield, nut-megged Figo, some solid and committed performances etc but he's just not good enough and doesn't improve our team in any way.Squad player -yes, first team regular - no.

Offers nothing going forward anymore (first season apart tbh), poor positional sense, gets skinned easily, distribution as bad as I've seen at United etc.I mean, when he gets the ball today, he passed it sideways 3 yards to Fletcher and then pointed, as if to say "Get it forward,ffs!"

Sorry for this personal 'attack' but it's more frustration than anything else.

He did ok today;a squad player, who would you have had a right back today instead of O'Shea today mate

Originally Posted by Coracao

:shakehead:

I feel like a right slapped arse and feel in the mood to whinge (stunning, I know).

Originally Posted by History

Everytime i think O'shea played decent today a thread always pops up somewhere on him.

He linked up well, supported and defended well with valencia. Didnt do anything wrong. Very odd thread.

I just think Fabio and Brown offer far more than O'Shea.No?

Originally Posted by dunk

Seconded.

I'm tired of having to defend him, it's not something that should be necessary.

Me or O'Shea?

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

Sorry for this personal 'attack' but it's more frustration than anything else.

Get you

Originally Posted by dunk

Seconded.

I'm tired of having to defend him, it's not something that should be necessary.

I lol'd at how serious you came off there

i thought he did ok today but he was crap at anfield and yes he can do a 'job' but people always say 'hes a good squad player' but hes not ,hes our first choice right back
good keeper though

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

Me or O'Shea?

If it was you, it would be a losing battle.

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

I feel like a right slapped arse and feel in the mood to whinge (stunning, I know).



I just think Fabio and Brown offer far more than O'Shea.No?

Rafael>Brown>Fabio.

They do, but vidic wasnt 100% obviously. Brown hasnt played right back for a year. You're hardly gonna throw him in against chelsea, Rafael is on the return don't expect O'shea to occupy that spot come the end of the season. But for today he was the best we had and he didnt let us down. Bit unfair picking at him really.

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

I just think Fabio and Brown offer far more than O'Shea.No?

Who in the middle with Evans if Wes in on the right

I love Fabio, but against Chelsea I want experience.

No to be honest. Fabio was skinned several times by CSKA he's still learning and Brown isn't any better going forward than O'Shea and O'Shea did little wrong defensively imo. He's not the ideal right back but at the moment he's as good as any we have available. A 100% fit and game ready Neville would be ahead of him though based on recent displays.

Originally Posted by naes_sean

If it was you, it would be a losing battle.

Get £#%&!ed!

Originally Posted by Sloane

i thought he did ok today but he was crap at anfield and yes he can do a 'job' but people always say 'hes a good squad player' but hes not ,hes our first choice right back
good keeper though

Exactly.

'Does a job'. I want a RB, with pace, power, a player who can pass more than 3 yards and if it's more than 3 yards than not into the oppo's corner to nobody or to an opponent.

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

Get you

You will if you start getting all Richard E Grant on me.