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Unread 15-06-2018, 02:27 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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All managers are short term now.

The turnover of managers is frightening compared to the past. Clubs want instant success.
Not to the extent of regularly dispensing with top quality young talent. Especially as it costs the club fortunes.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 03:13 PM
Whip Hubley
 
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Not to the extent of regularly dispensing with top quality young talent. Especially as it costs the club fortunes.
Surely that's the responsibility of the club then? They have to either veto the managers want to sell the player, or underline at the start that, as an example, they can't see any players under 23 without their approval
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 03:19 PM
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Surely that's the responsibility of the club then? They have to either veto the managers want to sell the player, or underline at the start that, as an example, they can't see any players under 23 without their approval
What a way to manage a club that would be... "nope, we know he's a bit of a @#%&! with an awful attitude, but he's young so needs to stay. soz".
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 03:33 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Surely that's the responsibility of the club then? They have to either veto the managers want to sell the player, or underline at the start that, as an example, they can't see any players under 23 without their approval
Totally agree and I think it’s something Chelsea implemented towards the end of his time there. Can’t let short term managers take short term decisions without club deliberation.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 05:01 PM
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You said his talent was verging on the ridiculous.

I would expect you to be able to highlight more than a few instances in 3 seasons with us of him actually showing it.

It could be argued they are the exception rather than the rule.

There are lots of players who could go on to be world class. Very few actually do.
for his age, it is. in his first season here pretty much all his goals were sublimely taken and he was just 18.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 08:46 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Not to the extent of regularly dispensing with top quality young talent. Especially as it costs the club fortunes.
Regularly?

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Totally agree and I think it’s something Chelsea implemented towards the end of his time there. Can’t let short term managers take short term decisions without club deliberation.
Abramovic is the epitome of short term decisions. You’re being ridiculous.

Holding mourinho to account for letting a couple of young Chelsea players go seems a little disingenuous, particularly when there was supposedly extenuating circumstances around at least one of them.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 08:51 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Regularly?
Yes. Do some research.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 08:53 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Yes. Do some research.
Amazing he’s ever won anything given he regularly gets rid of top quality young talent. Weird how any top club would employ him. Even weirder clubs managed by mourinho would sign top quality young talent in the first place. Seems a waste of money.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 09:35 PM
Cream
 
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Not to the extent of regularly dispensing with top quality young talent. Especially as it costs the club fortunes.
Like Depay?

Martial wants to leave, he's not being dispensed with.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 09:54 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Like Depay?

Martial wants to leave, he's not being dispensed with.
Dispense with also covers to stop using/managing without something. Applicable in terms of relegating a player to a fringe player.

Anyway, we will never agree.
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 10:12 PM
Sparky***
 
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Enjoying your Friday night lads?
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 10:40 PM
plopborsky
 
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Enjoying your Friday night lads?


Classic sparky
 
Unread 15-06-2018, 10:54 PM
Cream
 
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Dispense with also covers to stop using/managing without something. Applicable in terms of relegating a player to a fringe player.

Anyway, we will never agree.
Rashford happy.

Can't please everyone.
 
Unread 16-06-2018, 12:17 AM
Denis Irwell
 
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Just not really true at all. De Bruyne was sold by Chelsea in 2014; he joined City in 2015. Salah had two full season with Roma, where he was brilliant from the start, before joining Liverpool. So fairly quick turnarounds really. I don’t judge him for selling Lukaku; it’s more that now he sees him as a £75m striker who is un-droppable for United.

Madrid and Spain have a few players who had to wait for Mourinho to leave Madrid to get ther push. He doesn’t overlook young players because they don’t have the talent or application. He overlooks them because he’s a short term manager.
De Bruyne: left Chelsea>a year at Bremen>over 18 months at Wolfsburg.

Salah: Fiorentina didn’t bother to sign him permanently after a loan there and Roma paid all of 12m for a player clearly destined for greatness

Lukaku: convenient



Whatevs. Whatever the truth, you’ll be determined to put it all down to Mou. Hates young players. Makes sense to drop/bench established, seasoned players to throw in a youngster who had been far from convincing, to the point that neither subsequent loan clubs took the option to buy
 
Unread 16-06-2018, 09:06 AM
Wellinever
 
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Malise?
Sorry... misspelling, should be Malaise [uneasiness]
 
Unread 16-06-2018, 02:31 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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De Bruyne: left Chelsea>a year at Bremen>over 18 months at Wolfsburg.

Salah: Fiorentina didn’t bother to sign him permanently after a loan there and Roma paid all of 12m for a player clearly destined for greatness


Lukaku: convenient



Whatevs. Whatever the truth, you’ll be determined to put it all down to Mou. Hates young players. Makes sense to drop/bench established, seasoned players to throw in a youngster who had been far from convincing, to the point that neither subsequent loan clubs took the option to buy


This is your standard of argument, and you're talking about convenience? Let's knock it on the head pal.
 
Unread 18-06-2018, 01:34 PM
utd99
 
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This is your standard of argument, and you're talking about convenience? Let's knock it on the head pal.
You put too much stock in youth mate. Without the right attitude and application, age is irrelevant.
 
Unread 18-06-2018, 01:51 PM
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Unread 19-06-2018, 08:56 AM
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If he wants to leave, let him.

We need players who want to play for the club. Martial walks around the pitch with a face like a slapped arse and constantly wants the ball at his feet. He never makes any runs in behind and its frustrating to watch.

People want Martial as our starting left winger and yet..

1. He can't cross.
2. He never makes any runs in behind.
3. He doesn't track back.

Its no wonder Mourinho chooses the energetic hardworking Sanchez over him.

If we want Mourinho to win trophies, he needs his own players. Simple as that. If that means getting rid of Martial and signing someone like Perisic or Willian, than so be it. They'll fit the system better and we'll be better to watch for it.

I can't stand fans who choose individuals over the club.
 
Unread 19-06-2018, 09:02 AM
windy waffles
 
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If he wants to leave, let him.

We need players who want to play for the club. Martial walks around the pitch with a face like a slapped arse and constantly wants the ball at his feet. He never makes any runs in behind and its frustrating to watch.

People want Martial as our starting left winger and yet..

1. He can't cross.
2. He never makes any runs in behind.
3. He doesn't track back.

Its no wonder Mourinho chooses the energetic hardworking Sanchez over him.

If we want Mourinho to win trophies, he needs his own players. Simple as that. If that means getting rid of Martial and signing someone like Perisic or Willian, than so be it. They'll fit the system better and we'll be better to watch for it.

I can't stand fans who choose individuals over the club.
We can't stand you either pal.
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