Official Match Thread. ... Man Utd V Swansea 12 pm Bt Sports

Originally Posted by Zorg

Every time there's this 'it's the manager's fault / no, it's the players' fault' argument. Why does it have to be either/or? Plenty of people need singling out for that shite, Mourinho included, and he has been. You just tune into one part of the argument and go 'everyone's blaming Rooney!!1'

Martial, Blind and various others were criticised yesterday and rightly so.

Mistakes happen, of course. Its the context to it that makes this one so ludicrous.. Precarious lead, team about to go into 3rd and put pressure on city and liverpool, game nearly over, pretty comfortable, and as utd99 says, Swansea had one sole threat - free-kicks just outside the box. The players will have talked about that, no question about it.

Rooney has vast experience but he doesn't seem to use it. It was like something a young kid would do - that's what makes it so ridiculous. Watching him sometimes it's like he's new to referees at OT. He can't blame tiredness when he hardly plays. It was lazy and idiotic.

Fellaini does that and I can't imagine anyone saying 'well, mistakes happen'.

United didn't used to indulge has-beens based on past glories. That they do now is one part of the vast problem imo.

Incorrect Rodders. I'm not even defending Rooney tbh. It was £#%&!ing stupid. I just enjoy slagging Mourinho so any chance I get, I jump on it. You get me?

Plus I didn't say it has to be one or the other. I just made the point that the manager should be culpable as he plays a major part in our "shitness" and he gets a free ride from many on hereoh. Just trying to make sure everyone is fairly criticised. That's what I'm all about. That's what I'm here for and have been asked to do via countless pms etc. Just trying to be a voice for many that don't have one or who can't type etc.

Hot scarves in the summer

Originally Posted by Zorg

Every time there's this 'it's the manager's fault / no, it's the players' fault' argument. Why does it have to be either/or? Plenty of people need singling out for that shite, Mourinho included, and he has been. You just tune into one part of the argument and go 'everyone's blaming Rooney!!1'

Martial, Blind and various others were criticised yesterday and rightly so.

Mistakes happen, of course. Its the context to it that makes this one so ludicrous.. Precarious lead, team about to go into 3rd and put pressure on city and liverpool, game nearly over, pretty comfortable, and as utd99 says, Swansea had one sole threat - free-kicks just outside the box. The players will have talked about that, no question about it.

Rooney has vast experience but he doesn't seem to use it. It was like something a young kid would do - that's what makes it so ridiculous. Watching him sometimes it's like he's new to referees at OT. He can't blame tiredness when he hardly plays. It was lazy and idiotic.

Fellaini does that and I can't imagine anyone saying 'well, mistakes happen'.

United didn't used to indulge has-beens based on past glories. That they do now is one part of the vast problem imo.

Agree with all that

Also, United were looking for a second and weren't sitting back protecting a 1-0 lead as some have suggested. But with a make shift back four after another two injuries the last thing we could have done was go balls out, we had to be a little cautious

Just before their equaliser we had a good attack which ended with Valencia testing their keeper, we were playing well and pushing for a second..... then Rooney takes it upon himself to get Swansea back into the game. The players heads dropped and we were shit after that, can't blame Mourinho for any of that

Mourinho can be blamed for his poor squad management which will see a lot of players playing over 60 games this season, which is why we look completely £#%&!ed

It should have been concerntrate on the league OR the Europa and not both.

Originally Posted by Zorg

United didn't used to indulge has-beens based on past glories. That they do now is one part of the vast problem imo.

Perhaps indulging one in particular right when he was at his lowest point ever was slightly unwise.

Originally Posted by itisme_panaflex

More and more people getting tired of it now.

were people not already tired of bad results this season? has the manager really been getting a "free ride" all season? has no one yet pointed out his bad substitutions, strange team selections, lack of rotation, poor team management, etc.?

I'm just glad there are posters on here who are able to point these things out to the rest of us.

Originally Posted by shenwen

were people not already tired of bad results this season? has the manager really been getting a "free ride" all season? has no one yet pointed out his bad substitutions, strange team selections, lack of rotation, poor team management, etc.?

I'm just glad there are posters on here who are able to point these things out to the rest of us.

The clue is in 'more and more'

Cant wait for the summer

Originally Posted by itisme_panaflex

The clue is in 'more and more'

The amount of people unhappy with the way this season has gone is pretty much the same as it has been. No change. The opinions in that regard on this forum in the main have been consistent all along: results have not been good, but progress is being made

Originally Posted by shenwen

were people not already tired of bad results this season? has the manager really been getting a "free ride" all season? has no one yet pointed out his bad substitutions, strange team selections, lack of rotation, poor team management, etc.?

I'm just glad there are posters on here who are able to point these things out to the rest of us.

Bad results? You mean those better thanwe were getting under Van Gaal last season and the Energy Vampire?

We've played more games than most other teams, had a bad run with injuries and he's trying to get in the top four and win the Europa - having won a pot.

Look at smalling and jones getting injured on England duty ffs - one taking out the other.

It's not yet been a good season but we could still win the europa and get into the CL. The league is a bridge too far IMHO.

Originally Posted by utd99

It's not Mourinho missing sitters and giving away idiotic free kicks 25 yards out.

no. but it is mourinho picking the team and the tactics (and coaching and motivating the players). and time after time he's getting it wrong - predictably and obviously. the only reason rooney was there to give away a foul on the edge of the box is because fellaini wasn't available. we have thrown away points consistently. you want to pick on one incident in one game, but we played shit and were gifted a goal. we deserved to lose yesterday. against swansea. at home. rooney should not have played where he did yesterday. it is all mourinho's fault.

as for hounding out managers, whoever thought hiring moyes or mourinho was a good idea needs his head examining. still.... if we buy 6 world class players in the summer, we should be ok.

Originally Posted by jem

no. but it is mourinho picking the team and the tactics (and coaching and motivating the players). and time after time he's getting it wrong - predictably and obviously. the only reason rooney was there to give away a foul on the edge of the box is because fellaini wasn't available. we have thrown away points consistently. you want to pick on one incident in one game, but we played shit and were gifted a goal. we deserved to lose yesterday. against swansea. at home. rooney should not have played where he did yesterday. it is all mourinho's fault.

as for hounding out managers, whoever thought hiring moyes or mourinho was a good idea needs his head examining. still.... if we buy 6 world class players in the summer, we should be ok.

Hiring Moyes was the ultimate no no.
Hiring Mourinho is not.

Not arsed looking back but, was it you who said you'd give it to Giggs for years to cut his teeth?

Originally Posted by Clarkie

Not arsed looking back but, was it you who said you'd give it to Giggs for years to cut his teeth?

no, that was me.

It didn't have to be Giggs, but an ex-player perhaps. Somebody to take over from Fergie who immediately had the players on board.
As pointed out, it's what Barca & Madrid have done with great success in recent times.

No guarantees but we'd have been no worse off than we are now that's for sure.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

no, that was me.

It didn't have to be Giggs, but an ex-player perhaps. Somebody to take over from Fergie who immediately had the players on board.
As pointed out, it's what Barca & Madrid have done with great success in recent times.

No guarantees but we'd have been no worse off than we are now that's for sure.

Sadly though, we are not Barcelona.
The club imo has been on a slow decline since 2009. Moyes just accelerated the process.

Originally Posted by Clarkie

Sadly though, we are not Barcelona.
The club imo has been on a slow decline since 2009. Moyes just accelerated the process.

No it hasn't.
Utter nonsense.

Moyes killed it stone dead. We weren't in decline at all when he took over, we were League champions ffs

He was a disastrous appointment. Absolute £#%&!ing insanity.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

no, that was me.

It didn't have to be Giggs, but an ex-player perhaps. Somebody to take over from Fergie who immediately had the players on board.
As pointed out, it's what Barca & Madrid have done with great success in recent times.

No guarantees but we'd have been no worse off than we are now that's for sure.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

No it hasn't.
Utter nonsense.

Moyes killed it stone dead. We weren't in decline at all when he took over, we were League champions ffs

He was a disastrous appointment. Absolute £#%&!ing insanity.

Bang on as per.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

No it hasn't.
Utter nonsense.

Moyes killed it stone dead. We weren't in decline at all when he took over, we were League champions ffs

He was a disastrous appointment. Absolute £#%&!ing insanity.

Yep - absolutely £#%&!ing ludicrous.

Fergie and Gill £#%&!ing off in the same summer - stupidity.

Allowing Moyes to come in and completely remove all the backroom staff and therefore gut the entire club of all it's stability - crazy.

The club has been a panicky, reactive mess since Fergie retired. No visible plan or strategy, just throwing money around hoping something sticks. A personal favourite is the statement signings, big names on huge money, with no idea how to use them or a purpose beyond venal posturing.

A shit version of Madrid.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

no, that was me.

It didn't have to be Giggs, but an ex-player perhaps. Somebody to take over from Fergie who immediately had the players on board.
As pointed out, it's what Barca & Madrid have done with great success in recent times.

No guarantees but we'd have been no worse off than we are now that's for sure.

You would have given the job to an ex player? Such as?

That would have been disastrous IMO and seriously underestimates the managerial skills of Frogson.

Barca and Madrid are vastly more wealthy than their competitors which means they have far better players than them in every position pretty much. Their only competition is each other. They don't have oil clubs or a fair TV deal like we do here either so they can get away with promoting ex players and not risk their positions of dominance. United can't.

Originally Posted by Alan

You would have given the job to an ex player? Such as?

That would have been disastrous IMO and seriously underestimates the managerial skills of Frogson.

Barca and Madrid are vastly more wealthy than their competitors which means they have far better players than them in every position pretty much. Their only competition is each other. They don't have oil clubs or a fair TV deal like we do here either so they can get away with promoting ex players and not risk their positions of dominance. United can't.

That's bang on that, doing it our way ensured our continuing dominance.

Originally Posted by Alan

You would have given the job to an ex player? Such as?

That would have been disastrous IMO and seriously underestimates the managerial skills of Frogson.

Barca and Madrid are vastly more wealthy than their competitors which means they have far better players than them in every position pretty much. Their only competition is each other. They don't have oil clubs or a fair TV deal like we do here either so they can get away with promoting ex players and not risk their positions of dominance. United can't.

Spot on

Hard to argue anything those £#%&!ers do in Spain has no competition whatsoever. All the more admirable what Atletico have done. Wouldn't want Someone😀 Within a mile of here though.... on second thoughts, he'd boil the piss of ABUs more than anyone... But nah.