The worst player to ever wear the red shirt.

Originally Posted by believe

I always thought ranting was the way forward.

Answer me this. If we buy a world class CM in the next 12 months who will start in midfield?

We can't buy a world class central midfielder. There's no money unless big sales are made first.

Also, we need options so whether it's Scholes or Carrick on the bench or the new face it doesn't matter. The modern game is about having options and we currently have nothing beyond Scholes and Carrick who can do the job in the centre of midfield.

Fletcher has played well enough in the games he's started out wide but has, for the main part, struggled when played through the middle. As for O'Shea? I'm not going to even bother. Ok - just - at ful back absolute garbage in midfield. Anyone who thinks or says otherwise needs to be sectioned.

Originally Posted by Whalefish

We can't buy a world class central midfielder. There's no money unless big sales are made first.

Also, we need options so whether it's Scholes or Carrick on the bench or the new face it doesn't matter. The modern game is about having options and we currently have nothing beyond Scholes and Carrick who can do the job in the centre of midfield.

Fletcher has played well enough in the games he's started out wide but has, for the main part, struggled when played through the middle. As for O'Shea? I'm not going to even bother. Ok - just - at ful back absolute garbage in midfield. Anyone who thinks or says otherwise needs to be sectioned.

but dont you think fletcher would give the team more options than carrick. at least he would get stuck in and give scholes a "freer" role. and it might even stop giggs / ronaldo getting dragged in.

No, not really.

Ronnie comes inside because Fergie/CQ indulge him too much and allow him to get away with it. Sorry but that's true. He fancies himself as a forward not a winger, he probably is but we often lose our shape because he comes inside too much. However I will say that he is a threat when he does do it. A bit of a contradiction but he does do it TOO much.

Giggs does it because he simply can't keep bombing up and down the wing. He needs a rest but we don't have the player to come in and allow him to take a breather. Park maybe.

Fletcher is not a player who can simply sit deep and get stuck in. He can't tackle. Carrick can, despite what some say and also has the canny nack of making vital interceptions. As for Scholes being 'freed up'. He has that option now. More so than in the past few seasons but he's simply not getting up and down the pitch like he used to. He's no kid and as I said at the start of the season he needs to pick the games he plays/comes off the bench because he certainly can't start week in week out. He looks shattered atm and so does Giggs.

If we had Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher and one other (Hargreaves for example) as midfield options I'd be very happy but as it stands our best two are Carrick and Scholes.

Edit: I will say that I think we could use Carrick/Fletcher in the centre of midfield for certain games. If anything that would 'free' Fletcher up to play his natural game.

Originally Posted by MUFC One Love

I thought you supported FC United anyway?

He did. But returned for the derby because "he couldn't keep away". Glory hunting @#%&!. Now that we've lost, he'll no doubt return to his "boycot". Utter, utter £#%&!ing @#%&!!

Originally Posted by believe

but dont you think fletcher would give the team more options than carrick. at least he would get stuck in and give scholes a "freer" role. and it might even stop giggs / ronaldo getting dragged in.

You're more deluded than I though if you think Fletcher gets "stuck in". Asfor giving Scholes a freer role, that's exactly what Carrick has been doing over the last few months. It's one of the main reasons for his and the teams good performances. One poor result doesn't change this.

Originally Posted by The Watcher

He did. But returned for the derby because "he couldn't keep away". Glory hunting @#%&!. Now that we've lost, he'll no doubt return to his "boycot". Utter, utter £#%&!ing @#%&!!

very clever.

Originally Posted by Whalefish

If anything that would 'free' Fletcher up to play his natural game.

What, passing to the opposition?

The good old thick @#%&! statement "but he gets stuck in" err..actually, Carrick as far cleverer than Fletcher so is better positionally, makes interceptions and can actually tackle, and also his passing is brilliant. Fletcher may get caught out and can be seen bouncing off Harry Kewell for unto 6 yards.

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Originally Posted by believe

575 Lampard Chelsea £8.0m 159
639 Ronaldo Manchester United £5.0m 124
583 Essien Chelsea £4.5m 120
619 Gerrard Liverpool £8.0m 120
515 Barry Aston Villa £3.5m 101
641 Scholes Manchester United £4.0m 83
589 T Cahill Everton £4.5m 80
635 Giggs Manchester United £4.0m 79
645 Barton Manchester City £4.0m 79
527 Bentley Blackburn £3.0m 74
585 Arteta Everton £3.5m 73
507 Gilberto Arsenal £5.0m 72
543 Campo Bolton £2.0m 69
567 Ballack Chelsea £8.0m 64
711 Jenas Tottenham £3.0m 64
677 Parker Newcastle United £4.0m 63
539 Savage Blackburn £3.5m 60
541 Tugay Blackburn £2.5m 60
697 Sidwell Reading £2.5m 59
551 Speed Bolton £3.0m 58
653 Sibierski Manchester City £2.0m 58
503 Fabregas Arsenal £5.0m 57
705 Jagielka Sheff Utd £2.5m 57
577 Makelele Chelsea £4.5m 55
629 Xabi Alonso Liverpool £5.0m 54
693 Harper Reading £2.5m 53
513 Rosicky Arsenal £4.5m 51
671 Emre Newcastle United £4.0m 51
694 S Ki-Hyeon Reading £2.5m 51
523 McCann Aston Villa £3.0m 50
667 Butt Newcastle United £2.0m 50
713 Lennon Tottenham £4.0m 48
745 McCulloch Wigan £2.5m 47
549 Nolan Bolton £4.5m 46
599 Osman Everton £3.5m 45
579 Robben Chelsea £5.0m 44
509 Hleb Arsenal £4.5m 43
525 Milner Newcastle United £2.5m 43
533 Gamst Pederson Blackburn £4.0m 43
591 Carsley Everton £2.0m 43
621 Gonzalez Liverpool £4.5m 42
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526 Petrov Aston Villa £3.0m 40
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717 A Reid Tottenham £2.0m 38
725 Zokora Tottenham £3.0m 38
571 Duff Newcastle United £4.0m 37
691 Benjani Portsmouth £2.5m 37
727 Francis Watford £2.0m 37
679 Solano Newcastle United £4.0m 35
625 Riise Liverpool £4.0m 34
624 J Pennant Liverpool £4.0m 33
661 Downing Middlesbrough £3.5m 33
632 Carrick Manchester United £5.0m 33

I watch football matches to judge players, maybe one day you could pull your head out of your arse and try doing the same. muppet.

Originally Posted by believe

but dont you think fletcher would give the team more options than carrick. at least he would get stuck in and give scholes a "freer" role. and it might even stop giggs / ronaldo getting dragged in.

carrick does everything fletch does better. although that is no standard by which to judge a player.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I watch football matches to judge players, maybe one day you could pull your head out of your arse and try doing the same. muppet.

my judgment is that carrick is shit. and i could see that through my arse.

Originally Posted by believe

my judgment is that carrick is shit. and i could see that through my arse.

You were hoping for a defeat as you were getting desperate to vent your spleen on this weren't you. It must have been eating away at you that he was playing well and the results were good. Than god for this defeat providing you with scapegoating opportunity.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

You were hoping for a defeat as you were getting desperate to vent your spleen on this weren't you. It must have been eating away at you that he was playing well and the results were good. Than god for this defeat providing you with scapegoating opportunity.

ffs it's not as if i hate the bloke. it's just that i think he is a very mediocre player and certainly not the right player for united. if we bought OH in January, Carrick would not start. That is fact.

Originally Posted by believe

ffs it's not as if i hate the bloke. it's just that i think he is a very mediocre player and certainly not the right player for united. if we bought OH in January, Carrick would not start. That is fact.

Stop bullshitting, look at the £#%&!ing glee with which you posted this. Oh and you said the worst player ever for United, not mediocre.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Stop bullshitting, look at the £#%&!ing glee with which you posted this. Oh and you said the worst player ever for United, not mediocre.

ok that was a bit of an exaggeration but he's certainly not the best. my biggest gripe is that people like you think that because he is a united player he can do no wrong.

Originally Posted by believe

ok that was a bit of an exaggeration but he's certainly not the best. my biggest gripe is that people like you think that because he is a united player he can do no wrong.

I don't think he can do no wrong, you're the one making ridiculous statements like that not me. I do think he's a good player who's made a big difference to United since he joined and in doing so contributed to our good performances, results and league position.

Stick to playground football, you are way out of your depth

If we bought a world class midfielder would Carrick start?

Originally Posted by believe

If we bought a world class midfielder would Carrick start?

Name a specific midfielder and I'll tell you.