Dybala Talks Starting ..

Originally Posted by My Name is Keith

£#%&!ing Woodward, utterly useless.

I’m all for giving the bloke shit when he deserves it, but if Dybala doesn’t want to come here what’s he supposed to do?

WO0dWo0D AGAin

How come when it’s us these type of players need convincing, yet the likes of Aguero, Silva, Toure, etc seemed happy enough when £#%&!ing City wanted to sign them and have basically seen out their careers there.

Originally Posted by utd99

I’m all for giving the bloke shit when he deserves it, but if Dybala doesn’t want to come here what’s he supposed to do?

Not waste time trying to sign him and try to sign players that actually want to come?

Originally Posted by AK14

Not waste time trying to sign him and try to sign players that actually want to come?

So, be a mind-reader then?

What about in situations where the person WILL play for you under certain circumstances, but WON’T play for you under other circumstances? Isn’t that usually known in certain circles as a ‘negotiation’?

Originally Posted by utd99

So, be a mind-reader then?

What about in situations where the person WILL play for you under certain circumstances, but WON’T play for you under other circumstances? Isn’t that usually known in certain circles as a ‘negotiation’?

Why do our negotiations seem to be public knowledge almost immediately and then take weeks to end up with the same outcome?

I don't see how leaking that a player doesn't want to play at your club is a good PR move.

Originally Posted by Big Norm

Why do our negotiations seem to be public knowledge almost immediately and then take weeks to end up with the same outcome?

Because people know we’re news and make shit up? Then the people reading it believe what they want to believe.

Originally Posted by Big Norm

Why do our negotiations seem to be public knowledge almost immediately and then take weeks to end up with the same outcome?

Woodward

Originally Posted by Big Norm

Why do our negotiations seem to be public knowledge almost immediately and then take weeks to end up with the same outcome?

Still the biggest club in England for the media.

That's it

That's the be all. .

Weve basically just gave Dybala man a call and pulled out.

Originally Posted by utd99

So, be a mind-reader then?

What about in situations where the person WILL play for you under certain circumstances, but WON’T play for you under other circumstances? Isn’t that usually known in certain circles as a ‘negotiation’?

It was reported early on that Dybala had reservations about coming here and would want a large pay rise to even consider coming. At that point we’d have got a good understanding of his intentions and whether or not it was worth progressing into further negotiations.

Perhaps the sticking point was his image rights, but that goes against the narrative that we’ve called it off for footballing reasons.

Originally Posted by utd99

Because people know we’re news and make shit up? Then the people reading it believe what they want to believe.

So we weren’t in for Dybala?

Does Dybala even exist?...

Originally Posted by Cream

I don't see how leaking that a player doesn't want to play at your club is a good PR move.

Even after giving in to his initial demands etc.

It makes the club look £#%&!ing ridiculous.

Yup

https://www.utdforum.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=29

Originally Posted by utd99

Because people know we’re news and make shit up? Then the people reading it believe what they want to believe.

So we've either not negotiated for a striker and midfielder at all or we've negotiated so poorly we've £#%&!ed them up and are going to run out of time.

Not sure which is worse tbh.

Originally Posted by Whalefish

Quite a few have said the defence has improved, but given how shit the midfield is it probably won't matter much. If they (pundits/journalists) and 'we' can see it I would love to know what Ole et al are seeing that the rest of us aren't.

Might have been a friendly but Matic yesterday was woeful. He had a decent 12 months but it's been downhill since then. The two Brazilians are poor. Pogba issue has been mentioned enough times. It puts a lot of pressure on The Scottish Player. Sink or swim!!

Not really watched any of pre-season but hearing he's been shocking. State of his feet for that goal against Milan. De Gea gave him a shit ball just like he did Fred at Wolves last year to put him in trouble, but he made it look even worse. Dreadful short-term Mou style signing.

The Brazilian lads are frustrating. Technically Pereira is one of the best players at the club but he looks as though he hasn't had a coaching session in his life. I guess we have to take some responsibility for that. Fred is a decent player but a nervous wreck.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

This is a sign of ole’s influence. Before this, United would have chucked whatever money was required at a commercially important player despite the player not seeming that interested, like Di Maria.

Could well be. Would just be nice if Ole had the benefit of a proper scouting system to give more options. You get the impression that our summer list of targets came from The Sun. Ed gets no credit for tying up deals for household names from Leicester and Palace.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Not really watched any of pre-season but hearing he's been shocking. State of his feet for that goal against Milan. De Gea gave him a shit ball just like he did Fred at Wolves last year to put him in trouble, but he made it look even worse. Dreadful short-term Mou style signing.

The Brazilian lads are frustrating. Technically Pereira is one of the best players at the club but he looks as though he hasn't had a coaching session in his life. I guess we have to take some responsibility for that. Fred is a decent player but a nervous wreck.



Could well be. Would just be nice if Ole had the benefit of a proper scouting system to give more options. You get the impression that our summer list of targets came from The Sun. Ed gets no credit for tying up deals for household names from Leicester and Palace.

Fred is NOT a decent player.

Originally Posted by utd99

So, be a mind-reader then?

What about in situations where the person WILL play for you under certain circumstances, but WON’T play for you under other circumstances? Isn’t that usually known in certain circles as a ‘negotiation’?

If you spend the last week of the window trying and failing to sign a player who doesn't want to come and by every account never wanted to come, it doesn't paint you in a good light. It's absolutely typical of United. No real plan and susceptible to utter delusion.

Originally Posted by MartialLaw

Fred is NOT a decent player.

Of course he is.

United is probably too big for him, but he hasn't been helped by the situation here and the feeling that Mou didn't really want him.

Originally Posted by AK14

How come when it’s us these type of players need convincing, yet the likes of Aguero, Silva, Toure, etc seemed happy enough when £#%&!ing City wanted to sign them and have basically seen out their careers there.

Is that a serious question?

Not waste time trying to sign him and try to sign players that actually want to come?

How do they know a player doesn’t want to come until they’ve done their homework?

It could just as easily be an excuse on united’s part because they never intended to buy him in the first place.

Originally Posted by Big Norm

Why do our negotiations seem to be public knowledge almost immediately and then take weeks to end up with the same outcome?

Because journalists make up shit.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

If you spend the last week of the window trying and failing to sign a player who doesn't want to come and by every account never wanted to come, it doesn't paint you in a good light. It's absolutely typical of United. No real plan and susceptible to utter delusion.

Or possibly, it wasn’t even a potential deal until Juventus made it one. Everyone knew De Ligt was on the block all Summer; if we threw out a swap deal, with Martial for example, at the last minute is that our fault or theirs? It seems to me like they came up with the notion, we liked it and tried but sometimes these things just don’t work.

Originally Posted by utd99

Or possibly, it wasn’t even a potential deal until Juventus made it one. Everyone knew De Ligt was on the block all Summer; if we threw out a swap deal, with Martial for example, at the last minute is that our fault or theirs? It seems to me like they came up with the notion, we liked it and tried but sometimes these things just don’t work.

Same point stands. If you find yourself agreeing to last minute cast-offs (presumably because you don't know who else to sign) and spend a week or so on it before realising they don't want to come, you still don't come out looking great.

It's one thing to work on a deal and not get it over the line. But we're being offered players who don't want to come with days left of the window and taking it seriously enough to pursue it? It's the same old shite. This wouldn't have been a bonus; we're desperately short.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Same point stands. If you find yourself agreeing to last minute cast-offs (presumably because you don't know who else to sign) and spend a week or so on it before realising they don't want to come, you still don't come out looking great.

It's one thing to work on a deal and not get it over the line. But we're being offered players who don't want to come with days left of the window and taking it seriously enough to pursue it? It's the same old shite. This wouldn't have been a bonus; we're desperately short.

Anyone can spin things however they want to. It’s funny how the spin never seems to contradict their previously held views though.

Imagine thinking we were going to get Dybala in exchange for Lukaku. Don't need to be a pessimist to avoid disappointment, just a functioning frontal lobe.

As for Dybala the lad can't win, if he signs for us he's a mercenary and if he stays at Juve he's a shithouse. Personally think staying at a team that have won seven titles in a row and challenge for the Champions League most years might be smarter than moving to a team that will be battling Everton and Arsenal for a Europa spot.