Official Match Thread .. Southampton V Man Utd ..7:45PM Sky Sports

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

Even if we beat Palace at weekend, we've won fewer league games this season than we did under Moyes.

Whichever way you slice it, that's a £#%&!ing disgrace.

this isn't true either.

we've won 17 so far, with a game to go.

moyes won 17.

Originally Posted by NegativeNorris

If we lose on Wednesday, just watch all the calls for Mourinho's head.

Thanks for the heads up.

Originally Posted by NegativeNorris

Try looking at the bigger picture, rather than the two tin pot trophies we may win.
Our football is the worst out of anybody in the top half of the prem. We have a manager that is terrified to lose a game, so insists on having everybody defending, rather than doing the jobs they should be doing. We're about 500 points behind Chelsea. Just look at our record against the other top 6 sides.

If we lose on Wednesday, just watch all the calls for Mourinho's head.

Originally Posted by Sapien

So how did you choose your username pal?

Originally Posted by Sapien

So how did you choose your username pal?

Sounds like it chose him tbh

Difficult to argue though.

Originally Posted by Sapien

So how did you choose your username pal?

move over whalefish, looks like the new high lord of doom is in town

Fair enough, but I can't find any reason to be positive.
If anybody has any genuine arguments against anything I said, I'd love to hear it. I just don't feel like we've progressed at all, and it worries me tbh.

Don't know why people find it so hard to step back a little.

Good: one major trophy and close to another in his first season. Plenty of young players used. Long unbeaten run.

Bad: sixth in the league. Succession of mind-crushingly pathetic draws against utter dross. Too negative at times. Players sold in Jan not replaced.

What's hysterical about that?

Originally Posted by NegativeNorris

Fair enough, but I can't find any reason to be positive.
If anybody has any genuine arguments against anything I said, I'd love to hear it. I just don't feel like we've progressed at all, and it worries me tbh.

we stopped taking the league seriously about 6 weeks ago after taking the new champions apart. if we'd converted a small proportion of the great chances that went begging at OT in some of them draws then we'd have easily been top 4. our away form is title-winning form - or it was before we stopped taking it seriously. we're in the uefa cup final where we'll meet ajax of amsterdam in a throwback to the 70s

Originally Posted by hopkins

move over whalefish, looks like the new high lord of doom is in town

What happened to him? Locked himself in a room to play football manager so he can suggest some players united should sign?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2_Tu-bN9Vs

Originally Posted by NegativeNorris

Fair enough, but I can't find any reason to be positive.
If anybody has any genuine arguments against anything I said, I'd love to hear it. I just don't feel like we've progressed at all, and it worries me tbh.

If you had watched all our league games this season up until City & Swansea and hadn't seen everything from the Chelsea game as a big jump forward compared to the last 3 seasons you're blind. Yes we drew a lot of games but most of those games we dominated and made more than enough chances to win comfortably. Maybe if we still had a few of the players who left because of Moyes or were dumped by Van Gaal without being replaced we'd be in a better position still.

All that's happened sice the City game has given the dick heads their chance to roll out their opinions of José that they had before he even came to United. Agenda driven £#%&!wits circle jerking it.

w****rs.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Don't know why people find it so hard to step back a little.

Good: one major trophy and close to another in his first season. Plenty of young players used. Long unbeaten run.

Bad: sixth in the league. Succession of mind-crushingly pathetic draws against utter dross. Too negative at times. Players sold in Jan not replaced.

What's hysterical about that?

exactly. we're potentially a very good team and hopefully we can come out of mourinho's first season with a great buzz from stockholm.

there's plenty to do to get us flowing in attack but plenty of evidence that it can happen. if you can't score you have to not concede otherwise you tank.

my biggest issue with this season by far is that when we've actually began to turn the screw in games we've released it again inside 10 minutes. that's the key thing we need to fix at old trafford - turn it until the opposition break, then twist the knife. then meander through the rest of the game if you really want to and no-one will care.

Originally Posted by NegativeNorris

Fair enough, but I can't find any reason to be positive.
If anybody has any genuine arguments against anything I said, I'd love to hear it. I just don't feel like we've progressed at all, and it worries me tbh.

Simple proof of progression is whats happened on the pitch, under van gaal we didnt win enough games because we didnt create enough chances, under Jose we havent won enough games because we haven't finished enough chances. Still a massive problem but definitely progressive.

Originally Posted by Crumps

Agenda driven £#%&!wits circle jerking it.

mourinho reverts to type and it's an agenda? mmmk.

Originally Posted by Marvel7

Simple proof of progression is whats happened on the pitch, under van gaal we didnt win enough games because we didnt create enough chances, under Jose we havent won enough games because we haven't finished enough chances. Still a massive problem but definitely progressive.

yup. if you ignore the fact that we haven't won enough games due to his negative tactics and initiative-handing substitutions, particularly when leading. spot on, apart from that.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Don't know why people find it so hard to step back a little.

Good: one major trophy and close to another in his first season. Plenty of young players used. Long unbeaten run.

Bad: sixth in the league. Succession of mind-crushingly pathetic draws against utter dross. Too negative at times. Players sold in Jan not replaced.

What's hysterical about that?

Can't have reasonable debate on here tbf. You're either right, wrong, or a @#%&!

Originally Posted by Marvel7

Simple proof of progression is whats happened on the pitch, under van gaal we didnt win enough games because we didnt create enough chances, under Jose we havent won enough games because we haven't finished enough chances. Still a massive problem but definitely progressive.

We missed plenty of gilt edged chances under LvG, usually while on top, then lost momentum and drifted when we failed to score in our good spell. Same as this season. Albeit much less direct last season, so chance creation has been tougher.

Both issues look born out of reluctance to expose defence/midfield to counter attack to a large degree..

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

if you can't score you have to not concede otherwise you tank.

This is true and, at least in part, why Mourinho's approach shifted as the season progressed. Even if we change nothing else about this squad we absolutely must get players who can create and convert chances for next season or we'll be in exactly the same spot. This lot are a collection of under performers and incapables.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Can't have reasonable debate on here tbf. You're either right, wrong, or a @#%&!

I think you'll find it's a right @#%&! or a wrong @#%&!

Originally Posted by jem

mourinho reverts to type and it's an agenda? mmmk.


yup. if you ignore the fact that we haven't won enough games due to his negative tactics and initiative-handing substitutions, particularly when leading. spot on, apart from that.

The 'negative' stuff only got an airing after the Derby tbf.

Don't remember too many posts October-March that claimed negativity at all. With the injuries in the latter part of the season being more conservative is a must due to the lack of depth. Selling 2 midfielders and not bringing anyone in was extremely short sited, no argument there and for me is the key area. We've got a class manager who's still sorting the mess out left for him by the previous 2 managers. As transitional seasons go it's not a half bad one, if we win next week there is only Chelsea who have had a better season than us and there's not a team placed 2nd - in 5th who wouldn't swap our season for theirs. Maybe City because they're liars and finishing above us is the only thing they care about.

Originally Posted by dunk

We missed plenty of gilt edged chances under LvG, usually while on top, then lost momentum and drifted when we failed to score in our good spell. Same as this season. Albeit much less direct this season, so chance creation has been tougher.

Both issues look born out of reluctance to expose defence/midfield to counter attack to a large degree..

LVG's good spell was 3 games and there were shit loads of games where we barely made chances Bar the goals scored.