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Unread 27-12-2017, 09:13 PM
Kangared
 
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How much of these misses are down to confidence though? How many £#%&!ed up 3 on 3s at Leicester are because our attackers don't have a plan when they come forward?

Players miss chances part of the game.... but if all the players lack confidence and conviction up front on a regular basis then that comes back to the manager

Martial Rashford lukaku can all finish.

Maybe if he didn't drop them all apart from lukaku every game then they'd not tighten up so much.

And yes, he should be teaching pros how to finish. Their education doesn't end in early 20s
Those misses weren't down to confidence & the poor decision making definitely wasn't. Thats down to having a football brain. The one Rashers failed to square for Lukaku was shocking. Not sure how you can pin that on Jose who sets his team up to counter attack. Do you really think he doesn't work on those situations in training ? Rashford has played every single game this season.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:19 PM
Clownbones
 
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Those misses weren't down to confidence & the poor decision making definitely wasn't. Thats down to having a football brain. The one Rashers failed to square for Lukaku was shocking. Not sure how you can pin that on Jose who sets his team up to counter attack. Do you really think he doesn't work on those situations in training ? Rashford has played every single game this season.
I think Rashford miss is very much down to confidence. He never looked comfortable. Players over think when they are struggling (see Lukaku miss at Watford).

I've no idea what they work on in training. All I and anyone else sees is what's out there and what's out there is a collection of strikers whose form is inconsistent.

It's not *all* down to him but a team is a product of their manager.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:20 PM
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I think Rashford miss is very much down to confidence. He never looked comfortable. Players over think when they are struggling (see Lukaku miss at Watford).

I've no idea what they work on in training. All I and anyone else sees is what's out there and what's out there is a collection of strikers whose form is inconsistent.

It's not *all* down to him but a team is a product of their manager.
Are you Billy Redface?
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:24 PM
Kangared
 
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I think Rashford miss is very much down to confidence. He never looked comfortable. Players over think when they are struggling (see Lukaku miss at Watford).

I've no idea what they work on in training. All I and anyone else sees is what's out there and what's out there is a collection of strikers whose form is inconsistent.

It's not *all* down to him but a team is a product of their manager.
Once he has his players then you can level that at him. How many goals did we score under LVG ? How would you explain the poor decision making ?
So we slaughter & want to sell Lukaku when his confidence is down but blame the manager when boy wonder is having confidence issues.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:24 PM
Clownbones
 
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Are you Billy Redface?
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:46 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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So we don't bother working on players games? They arrive as they are and that's that?
Depends what you mean by working on their games. Fergie and his coaching team took the same approach as mourinho. Muelesnstein made such a comment one year. The expectation is they know how to play or they wouldn’t have been signed. You set out the basic shape of the team, get them organised, and let them play. The rest is down to training drills sharpening skills, and self motivation. Hence ronaldo developing and developing and Rooney not.

One of the reasons van gaal and moyes lost the players’ respect was because they were telling seasoned pros how to play. International players don’t take kindly to being told they don’t know how to do basic things they’ve spent their career doing. Van gaal telling Rooney how to shoot and such. Or moyes telling Ferdinand to study jagielka.

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Absolutely bizarre that you wouldn’t expect a manager to improve players ability to score goals, that being the entire point of a game of football and all.

In almost any field of management, one of the most important paths to success is focusing on the basics. Just assuming people know what they should be doing is a recipe for failure
Fergie a failure?
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:49 PM
Kangared
 
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Depends what you mean by working on their games. Fergie and his coaching team took the same approach as mourinho. Muelesnstein made such a comment one year. The expectation is they know how to play or they wouldn’t have been signed. You set out the basic shape of the team, get them organised, and let them play. The rest is down to training drills sharpening skills, and self motivation. Hence ronaldo developing and developing and Rooney not.

One of the reasons van gaal and moyes lost the players’ respect was because they were telling seasoned pros how to play. International players don’t take kindly to being told they don’t know how to do basic things they’ve spent their career doing. Van gaal telling Rooney how to shoot and such. Or moyes telling Ferdinand to study jagielka.
The beginning of the end of any faint hope I had for Moyes being a success.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:52 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Phil Taylor changes his darts at 50 years old. Roger Federer changes his racket head size at 35..... but Marcus rahsord requires no further coaching at 21.
He’s young and motivated. He’ll practice on things he needs to improve.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:54 PM
jem
 
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The beginning of the end of any faint hope I had for Moyes being a success.
how could anyone not know moyes was wrong before he came?

then again, how could anyone not know mourinho was wrong before he came?

 
Unread 27-12-2017, 09:54 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Absolutely bizarre that you wouldn’t expect a manager to improve players ability to score goals, that being the entire point of a game of football and all.

In almost any field of management, one of the most important paths to success is focusing on the basics. Just assuming people know what they should be doing is a recipe for failure
The manager sets out the framework to help the player score goals. But he certainly won’t be teaching him things like shooting and such. And neither would Fergie or his coaching staff. The basics are focused on with training drills.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 10:06 PM
utd99
 
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The manager sets out the framework to help the player score goals. But he certainly won’t be teaching him things like shooting and such. And neither would Fergie or his coaching staff. The basics are focused on with training drills.
That’s not true. Managers are identifying basic errors and working with players on them all the time.
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 10:08 PM
Kangared
 
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how could anyone not know moyes was wrong before he came?

then again, how could anyone not know mourinho was wrong before he came?

if Fergie believed in him then why wouldn't we give him a chance . Did you not trust fergies judgement ?
 
Unread 27-12-2017, 10:10 PM
jem
 
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if Fergie believed in him then why wouldn't we give him a chance . Did you not trust fergies judgement ?
are you £#%&!ing serious?

generally... no.

in this case..... hell, no.
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