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you can't claim they would've done all the things you said but were prevented from doing so and expect to be taken seriously. tbph this line about stripping out £100m is a bit of a nonsense as well, since they are the owners of the business and, more importantly, were the owners when the document was drawn up, like it or not. i realise it's only rhetoric designed to emphasise a point, but even so. the bond document includes a whole lot more than all the things you were worried about in the first place as well. |
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BUT (and this is where i suspect we will never agree) i don't agree that setting up a new football club was the best form of protest against the glazers. alternatives? how about not renewing and protesting outside OT (or as near as we could get) at every home game? even if you didn't want to protest but didn't renew, there were/are plenty of local established non/lower league clubs that would've appreciated the extra support without creating a new one. i think it was MNIK that said on here a bit ago that fc took the most militant fans away from the club which made any protests against the glazers far more likely to fail. i'm genuinely not trying to be personal, it's just my opinion, right or wrong. |
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Now, it appears they can do these things in the future and as you say, a lot more besides. Of course I realise the owners of any business can take money as and when they wish, the £100m withdrawal mentioned in the bond prospectus was one example designed to show what they can do in future compared with what they couldn't do in the past. I was trying to emphasise the Glazers are potentially more dangerous to United now than they were previously... |
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However, if there was no possibility of those who remained behind mounting any kind of ongoing resistance without the few who stopped going, why on earth would a couple of thousand of us put up with the abuse, the ridicule and the heartbreak of turning up to protest outside OT, for fifty or sixty-odd thousand to £#%&! off inside at ten to three? I remember the catcalls and abuse from the marches and leaflet dropping during the run up to the takeover. It would have been much worse with the pro-Glazer activists we all know and love being there to make their presence felt afterwards. This is making me feel like I did in May 2005 and that's not something I want right now. I'm knocking this thread on the head. |
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sorry, i've only just wakened ;-} the bond document is not a manifesto though. |
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The way I see it is, those clubs would certainly not have welcomed thousands of United fans turning up and dominating their set-up - and we wanted a supporter-run club. In any case, your view is somewhat self-contradictory: on the one hand you say FC fans walking away harmed the protests, and on the other say they should have supported a different club. So, how would supporting Altrincham have helped the protests? At the time, some of us did advocate boycotting and protesting outside the ground, and were met with short shrift. It's the same now - I have been advocating a one-match mass boycott for the last two weeks and the response has been 1) ignore him 2) tell him it'll never work or 3) tell him to £#%&! off. It's galling that FC receive criticism for not doing what others have no inclination to do themselves. |
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£#%&!ing %@#$&!s this thread. FC are in a no win situation.
Say nothing and it's "why you not saying anything". Say something "Using it to publicise yourself". There's a much greater "enemy" than FC and bringing devisive arguments will only dilute the G&G campaign. |
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for example, if you say you're not trying to occupy/re-occupy the moral high ground you're basically saying you were right all along |
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@forwardirektion: i hope you're not trying to insinuate that i'm somehow an "enemy" of united because i don't support fc or i don't see the point of the statement they have released? everyone's entitled to their opinion and most of us are trying to express it in the least antagonistic way. |
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can i just add something that hopefully shows that i'm not a, jcl, oot, bitter abfc...
when fc were originally set up, i actually supported the idea, became a founder member and went to the first game at leigh. however, this was because i understood that fc were to be a protest club that would disband as soon as glazer was ousted. once it became clear to me that this wasn't going to be the case, i wasn't interested as i personally didn't see the point in it. as you were... |
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