Are we allowed to talk about how shit Rashford is now?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Can we just accept that neither of them are good enough by comparison to what we used to have.

Depends who you ask and what their previously stated position was. Once that ‘like’ button gets hit, it stays hit.

It is a pity that Rashford has become such a mascot of the division that Mourinho causes.

He is a very talented 20 yo with tons of potential who has a lot to work on, the hunger to write him off is as premature as anointing him as a savior.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

It is a pity that Rashford has become such a mascot of the division that Mourinho causes.

He is a very talented 20 yo with tons of potential who has a lot to work on, the hunger to write him off is as premature as anointing him as a savior.

Another biased observer.

Why can't you just admit he's Huddersfield standard at best, pal?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Another biased observer.

Why can't you just admit he's Huddersfield standard at best, pal?

It is strange isn't it. The amount of players who were good to go from 19/20 at the top level of the game is historically dwarfed by those who needed another few years for it all to click.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

It is strange isn't it. The amount of players who were good to go from 19/20 at the top level of the game is historically dwarfed by those who needed another few years for it all to click.

I think Rashford's introduction and how well it went (scored on England debut too didn't he?) probably not only set the bar high for critics, but himself. When you've only known the good times it can be hard to handle a little slump. I think he's looked frustrated at United for the last year.

He'll be fine though. He keeps trying things, keeps working and chances keep coming his way. Good sign.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

I think Rashford's introduction and how well it went (scored on England debut too didn't he?) probably not only set the bar high for critics, but himself. When you've only known the good times it can be hard to handle a little slump. I think he's looked frustrated at United for the last year.

He'll be fine though. He keeps trying things, keeps working and chances keep coming his way. Good sign.

It clearly does not help how inept Utd's attacking play has been under Mourinho. No structure or seeming plan at all, basically toss the responsibility to the attacking players and expect them to make it happen independently.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

It clearly does not help how inept Utd's attacking play has been under Mourinho. No structure or seeming plan at all, basically toss the responsibility to the attacking players and expect them to make it happen independently.

Yeah, they all look frustrated. Reports of Lukaku not being overjoyed with the style, after similar with Pogba and Sanchez earlier this year.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

It clearly does not help how inept Utd's attacking play has been under Mourinho. No structure or seeming plan at all, basically toss the responsibility to the attacking players and expect them to make it happen independently.

That's true. A cohesive and successful style of play can make a player look significantly better (and certain players worse) - for example Pedro being a starter in that conquering Barcelona team while Ibrahimovic was a misfit.

In England Raheem Sterling still does not impress me much with his individual skill but he makes the same run about a dozen times a game and the team pattern of play opens space for a player like him to ghost in at the back post for tap ins.

Originally Posted by Buck

That's true. A cohesive and successful style of play can make a player look significantly better (and certain players worse) - for example Pedro being a starter in that conquering Barcelona team while Ibrahimovic was a misfit.

In England Raheem Sterling still does not impress me much with his individual skill but he makes the same run about a dozen times a game and the team pattern of play opens space for a player like him to ghost in at the back post for tap ins.

Yes, evidence of any good coaching job is surely a group of players being more than the sum of their parts. Can't say that about Utd under Mourinho, at least not in the attacking side of the game.

At least he was better than Macheda

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Yes, evidence of any good coaching job is surely a group of players being more than the sum of their parts. Can't say that about Utd under Mourinho, at least not in the attacking side of the game.

This.

Every attacking player is compromised in this side. Every single one of them.

thanks for the memories

He’s not really developed over the past couple of years. Regressed even. Whether that’s down to him not having the talent or whether he’s suffering under mourinho’s no actual football style of football is a moot point. He’s worth persevering with under the new guy, but we havent seen anything recently to suggest he’s the answer.

Played RW about twice in the first team prior to this season and struggled both times. Shocked he's not excelling in that position having suddenly been dumped there due to lack of other options..

He’s not a winger. Neither is Martial.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

He’s not a winger. Neither is Martial.

Nope. Balance of the squad is £#%&!ing awful.

Originally Posted by dunk

Nope. Balance of the squad is £#%&!ing awful.

We have wingers as full backs. Strikers as wingers.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

We have wingers as full backs. Strikers as wingers.

Is Dalot injured? Where the £#%&! is Darmian?

Ashley Young is utterly horrific.

Shaw was one of our better players last night tbf, as were Smalling and Lindelof.

There's a decent side in among the 20-odd players we have, Mourinho seems to be doing his level best not to find it.

Originally Posted by dunk

Is Dalot injured? Where the £#%&! is Darmian?

Ashley Young is utterly horrific.

Shaw was one of our better players last night tbf, as were Smalling and Lindelof.

There's a decent side in among the 20-odd players we have, Mourinho seems to be doing his level best not to find it.

Dalot is 19 and therefore out of the Jose reckoning

Darmian is as bad as anyone at the club.

Ashley Young is doing better than any other 34 year old winger playing Hazard one week and Ronaldo three days later

Shaw has been the one plus of this season.

Smalling is ok. Easily our best and most consistent defender and gets far too much stick imo. Would be fine as the 'other' defender. Lindelof got better as the game wore on but needs to do it more.

There is. It's flawed, but it's better than this and. There's problems above Mourinho, problems with the squad, but the way we play is solely down to Mourinho. And how we play is utterly awful.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Dalot is 19 and therefore out of the Jose reckoning

Darmian is as bad as anyone at the club.

Ashley Young is doing better than any other 34 year old winger playing Hazard one week and Ronaldo three days later

Shaw has been the one plus of this season.

Smalling is ok. Easily our best and most consistent defender and gets far too much stick imo. Would be fine as the 'other' defender. Lindelof got better as the game wore on but needs to do it more.

There is. It's flawed, but it's better than this and. There's problems above Mourinho, problems with the squad, but the way we play is solely down to Mourinho. And how we play is utterly awful.

No it’s not. To say any of this is solely down to one person is just flat out wrong. Some of it is, maybe even most, but it’s not Mourinho’s job to trap a football for Lukaku, or have the ability to play a ten yard ball or beat a man for Rashford, put a shift in for Martial, have discipline for Pogba etc etc. Once they cross that line they’re either there or they’re not. Atm they’re not; not even close.

As an aside, is this whole ‘Rashford’s not a winger’ thing, an experiment into whether saying something enough makes it true? Because I hope for the kid’s sake we’re not suggesting that traditional centre forward is the only place on a football field where he won’t look inept. If it is he’s going to have a tough career.