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Typical nonsense avoiding the real issue of lack of innovation and ideas within the English game.
Most top managers don't start off with big jobs, regardless of whether they were a great player or not. Take a look at Ancelotti and Conte. Both high class players in Italian football who won the lot. Both started managing in Serie B with Reggiana and Arezzo respectively. The path for someone like Giggs is pretty easy if they want to put the work in. Or indeed have anything about them as a prospective high quality coach. The sense of entitlement would be easier to understand if he resembled either. |
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We could argue till the cows come home on how a manager should get a top job..
Paisley, Dalglish, the guy Voeller spat on, Gaurdiola, Zidane, Berkenbauker, Croyf..etc etc the bottom line is .. dont come into something successful and make dramatic changes to the backbone that Moyes did..Biggest £#%&!up since Tiberius taking over from Augustus |
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Let me ask you this. Do you believe that Giggs could have gone into the Hull job and within a couple of weeks transform the way they play? |
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Most people on here couldn't name 5 third tier managers, it is demonstrably not a route to Premier League football. Absolutely no-one thinks Giggs should walk into a top job as evidenced by the suicidal nature of the forum when it looked like he might succeed LVG last season. But when Owen Coyle is on his third Championship job and walked into a Premier League job offer it's not too hard to see why Giggs might think he's better qualified. Siders' point about innovation within the English game is a good one, from memory England national team failure has been followed by a rush to copy Clairefontaine, then the German model of collaboration between its main football organisations and then the Spanish model of passing it about a lot. It is no surprise whatsoever that with utterly clueless leadership at the top, hi FA, that the rest of the pyramid suffers. |
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For me it's rubbish to suggest that football chairmen wouldn't rather have a British manager. I just think the harsh reality these days is that managers from Germany, Portugal etc are simply more impressive. They're better trained, more adaptable to the globalised modern game and probably offer a more interesting vision to clubs. Besides, Liverpool, City, Spurs, United, Newcastle, West Ham, Sunderland etc have all given the job to British candidates in recent years. In the Championship, so have Leeds, Wolves, Aston Villa etc - the biggest clubs. They get the chances; the desire and market for bright young British coaches is there imo. But is the quality? |
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Zidane is a bit of an odd case as it's not clear whether there was much logic in identifying him, given that Perez - who knows £#%&! all about football - always fancied him as manager purely on sentimental grounds. But usually the great managers start of anywhere that will take them, such is their belief in their idea. Many of the best around had to start low. I find it impossible to believe that Giggs, armed with a serious vision and applying throughout the Championship, doesn't get a chance. |
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For the record, I didn't want him to talk over at united either but it's just the derogatory way he is referred to on here that I find rather laughable. |
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I have no idea what his level is. That isn't the point. The point was that there are positions opening up at a lower level on a regular basis. I find it hard to believe those clubs wouldn't take a chance on Ryan Giggs. If he doesn't want to do that and wait for a bigger job then that's fine. But don't then say there aren't any jobs out there. Is going from the bottom up the only way? No. But it is a way. Do some British managers get more chances than others? Yes (Owen Coyle a good example). There are several examples of successful foreign and English managers doing well and doing badly across the leagues. Back to the original point, I don't think it's particularly biased towards foreign managers And I don't think anyone is having a go at Giggs personally. Just that he isn't entitled to anything simply because he's Ryan Giggs. |
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Are people on here really expecting Giggs to start off managing a Doncaster or Barnet to earn his stripes?
His standing and experience in the game alone should guarantee him top half of the championship at the minimum, especially if you see management as much more than coaching the lads on a Tuesday night. |
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the whole conversation is hilarious, ranging from we haven't heard any circumstantial about him being a good coach ( which is wrong anyway) to he should hawk himself around and go wherever they'll have him ( which is patently ridiculous)...
the reality is you cannot guarantee success but you can try and avoid setting yourself up to fail. giggs is right to make sure he interviews any club he's interested in, that he gets the assurances he needs and that he has the best chance to succeed. if he doesn't get a foot in then may e look at a different approach down the linr if he still wants to do it. Quote:
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you said he has had "plenty of opportunities". you clearly don't have much of a list of opportunities he's had at the top 40 odd clubs (whichever ones YOU think they might be) or at the clubs in the top 2 divisions. so maybe give me a list of the plenty of opportunities he's had at clubs in division 3 and 4? look forward to your exhaustive list of almost zero clubs. |
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Like I say, it's what serious managers tend to do. They'll go anywhere that lets them try their ideas and build. There are enough good clubs in the Championship to allow for that. Antonio Conte went and took over Avezzo who were battling relegation to Serie C. A battle they lost under his guidance btw. The sheer quantity of decent sized clubs in this country is something for which the likes of Giggs should be grateful. Rather than develop a sense of entitlement because he's not walking into his ideal job based on his name alone. |
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