Joey Barton

Originally Posted by believe

I don’t understand why people think that anyone who doesn’t like women commentating on football matches is because they’re women and I think therein lies the problem.

Like any aspect of it is just profession for those involved just like any of us in our daily lives. If you were told there were to be redundancies at work and one job was available for two of you. You were highly qualified at the job and had years of valuable experience and the other was someone (man/woman/cat etc) who had no experience whatsoever or any qualifications to warrant the job but they gave them the job to fill some random woke quota then I’m sure any of us would be pissed and I’m sure that’s why there’s some uniting resentment among professional retired footballers.

As for the woman thing then again me and I’m pretty certain whip and everyone else couldn’t care less that it’s a woman. If pure rocked up on match and of the day because he managed a pub team in a Sunday league we’d all take the piss and say this idiots not got a clue. It’s just the same with the women.

Finally, something that unites us all

I just watch matches on mute now, with a laugh track over the top for whenever The Scottish Player is on the ball.

Originally Posted by believe

I don’t understand why people think that anyone who doesn’t like women commentating on football matches is because they’re women and I think therein lies the problem.

Like any aspect of it is just profession for those involved just like any of us in our daily lives. If you were told there were to be redundancies at work and one job was available for two of you. You were highly qualified at the job and had years of valuable experience and the other was someone (man/woman/cat etc) who had no experience whatsoever or any qualifications to warrant the job but they gave them the job to fill some random woke quota then I’m sure any of us would be pissed and I’m sure that’s why there’s some uniting resentment among professional retired footballers.

As for the woman thing then again me and I’m pretty certain whip and everyone else couldn’t care less that it’s a woman. If pure rocked up on match and of the day because he managed a pub team in a Sunday league we’d all take the piss and say this idiots not got a clue. It’s just the same with the women.

People that have never played football at any real level have been commentating on football games for decades. People that have never played football at any real level have spent their professional lives successfully writing about football for decades.

No-one seemed to think that was much of an issue though

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

Possibly. Not sure how though...


While I'm sure they know trans 'women' they probably come across slightly more straight men.

That's because you only read a third of my post, or you missed the point of the post. Either way, it's your comprehension issue. It's all there.

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

Oh and by "overreach", do you mean hounding poor professors to the point of suicide for the crime of airing an opinion, that kind of "overreach"?

Yes, that would certainly be an example.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

People that have never played football at any real level have been commentating on football games for decades. People that have never played football at any real level have spent their professional lives successfully writing about football for decades.

No-one seemed to think that was much of an issue though

Why are you always so wrong?

You're talking about journalists and commentators who nearly all have strong knowledge of the game.

Then you have 'pundits' who give opinion who are ex players.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Yes, that would certainly be an example.

Ah. A definition gentle enough that a person might even mistake it for condonation. Another comprehension issue no doubt.

Originally Posted by silv

Why are you always so wrong?

You're talking about journalists and commentators who nearly all have strong knowledge of the game.

Then you have 'pundits' who give opinion who are ex players.

Good point. I can't remember any occasion where people got worked up when there's a an ex-professional female commentator on a game.

Silly me for thinking it's only ever seems to an issue when it's a women involved, and not realising it's the clear difference between the opinions given by commentators and pundits.



Wondering if you could quantify the 'strong knowledge of the game' disparity between male commentators and female commentators, or ex male players and ex female players. A graph would be helpful.

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

Ah. A definition gentle enough that a person might even mistake it for condonation. Another comprehension issue no doubt.

We can agree on something at least.

The old get out of jail free card. Gotta love it.

Originally Posted by believe

I don’t understand why people think that anyone who doesn’t like women commentating on football matches is because they’re women and I think therein lies the problem.

That is exactly the problem.

We’ve all accepted that there are shit pundits and commentators of both genders, all with different levels of experience.

People have a problem that there are women, precisely because they are women! If that’s not you then fine, but Joey and a lot of the comments on here are.

I can just about get on board possibly with the argument that ‘women's football is different to men’s so why should they’ but it’s a really insignificant point when

1. Journalists have plenty of screen time
2. The women are still outnumbered by men
3. It might encourage more female engagement in football overall (a good thing, Shirley?)

I’ve mentioned journalists btw, and to be honest I’d rather listen to them talk about football than ex footballers.

Thankfully, the stringent requirement, of having played at the very top level of men’s football, for blabbing inanely on tv before, during and after premier league football matches, is not redeemed necessary in football management or we might never have had Jose, Wenger or even Fergie’s teams to entertain us in our youth.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Good point. I can't remember any occasion where people got worked up when there's a an ex-professional female commentator on a game.

Silly me for thinking it's only ever seems to an issue when it's a women involved, and not realising it's the clear difference between the opinions given by commentators and pundits.



Wondering if you could quantify the 'strong knowledge of the game' disparity between male commentators and female commentators, or ex male players and ex female players. A graph would be helpful.



We can agree on something at least.

how is this relevant to the recent influx of less than brilliant female commentators?

People that have never played football at any real level have been commentating on football games for decades. People that have never played football at any real level have spent their professional lives successfully writing about football for decades.

No-one seemed to think that was much of an issue though

ex male players from the Premier League are qualified to talk about PLAYING in the Premier League as they've played in it. Even though they may be thick as mince. TBH Im not sure where im going with this but Patty the wet wipe winds me right up

Originally Posted by Patty_b

How anybody, even an uber@#%&! like Joey Barton, has the energy to be that invested on such a non-issue like that is as you say, depressing.

To be fair, it's not like he's got much else to do.

Originally Posted by silv

how is this relevant to the recent influx of less than brilliant female commentators?

Originally Posted by silv

ex male players from the Premier League are qualified to talk about PLAYING in the Premier League as they've played in it. Even though they may be thick as mince. TBH Im not sure where im going with this but Patty the wet wipe winds me right up

So you're saying that should be the only criteria that dictates whether or not a pundit is one TV? Only players that have played in the Premier League should provide punditry on Premier League games.

Ally McCoist played for Sunderland, but that was back in the old 1st Division, does that count? Or is his involvement part of the patty wet wipe woke crusade?

And how long does someone need to be in the Premier League? Is 6 months enough? A full season?

And the Premier League is much different to what it was 20 years ago.Should ex-players that have been retired for 2 decades or more be escorted out of the studio and instructed never to return, because their knowledge is outdated and not as relevant to the modern game as a player that retired 5 years ago?

I'm assuming only full internationals should be allowed to provide punditry on internationals as well. But should that be limited only to ex-players of the nations involved? What would a French ex-player know about English international football?

This criteria you believe should be followed doesn't seem too well thought out really pal, it's almost as if you've pulled it out of your arse.

I know...it's all just so confusing.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

So you're saying that should be the only criteria that dictates whether or not a pundit is one TV? Only players that have played in the Premier League should provide punditry on Premier League games.

Ally McCoist played for Sunderland, but that was back in the old 1st Division, does that count? Or is his involvement part of the patty wet wipe woke crusade?

And how long does someone need to be in the Premier League? Is 6 months enough? A full season?

And the Premier League is much different to what it was 20 years ago.Should ex-players that have been retired for 2 decades or more be escorted out of the studio and instructed never to return, because their knowledge is outdated and not as relevant to the modern game as a player that retired 5 years ago?

I'm assuming only full internationals should be allowed to provide punditry on internationals as well. But should that be limited only to ex-players of the nations involved? What would a French ex-player know about English international football?

This criteria you believe should be followed doesn't seem too well thought out really pal, it's almost as if you've pulled it out of your arse.

You'll probably find that the pundits tend to talk to the level they were involved in. Have you ever watched Sky Sports?

You really are as thick as mince. I look forward to the Patty World Cup where these Ivory Coast players talk about Beligum vs Germany...

Originally Posted by silv

You really are as thick as mince..

‘Be Kind’

Originally Posted by silv

You'll probably find that the pundits tend to talk to the level they were involved in. Have you ever watched Sky Sports?

You really are as thick as mince. I look forward to the Patty World Cup where these Ivory Coast players talk about Beligum vs Germany...

Originally Posted by silv

You'll probably find that the pundits tend to talk to the level they were involved in. Have you ever watched Sky Sports?

You really are as thick as mince. I look forward to the Patty World Cup where these Ivory Coast players talk about Beligum vs Germany...

Yeah. The consensus seems to be that the vast majority talk utter shite, and rarely come to any sort of agreement on their views of the game they're covering. Almost like having played in the Premier League at some point doesn't matter in the slightest, and like they're almost playing caricatures of themselves for the purposes of TV coverage on prepared talking points about a game.

Guessing you'd also be surprised to find out professional wrestling is predetermined and not a legitimate contest.

'Nothing to do with it being a women, I just need my horrifically shit pundits to have made some appearances in the Premier League at some point.'

And you have the brass neck to call me a wet wipe and thick as mince

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Yeah. The consensus seems to be that the vast majority talk utter shite, and rarely come to any sort of agreement on their views of the game they're covering. Almost like having played in the Premier League at some point doesn't matter in the slightest, and like they're almost playing caricatures of themselves for the purposes of TV coverage on prepared talking points about a game.

Guessing you'd also be surprised to find out professional wrestling is predetermined and not a legitimate contest.

'Nothing to do with it being a women, I just need my horrifically shit pundits to have made some appearances in the Premier League at some point.'

And you have the brass neck to call me a wet wipe and thick as mince

You're just wibbling on now and making no points of any relevance whatsoever. Good day Sir.

Originally Posted by silv

You're just wibbling on now and making no points of any relevance whatsoever. Good day Sir.

Points pretty clear pal, that a pundit having played in the Premier League in their past has no relevance on the quality of their punditry.

Originally Posted by silv

You'll probably find that the pundits tend to talk to the level they were involved in. Have you ever watched Sky Sports?

You really are as thick as mince. I look forward to the Patty World Cup where these Ivory Coast players talk about Beligum vs Germany...

Souness used to be good pundit.
He's a £#%&!ing gibbering £#%&!wit now.