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Gypsum is right. It doesn’t have to be this binary thing.
I’m largely still Ten Hag in and there’s more than enough credit in the bank from last season and mitigating circumstances to give him some leeway this season. Changing the way we’re run is paramount and I’d like to see how he does once INEOS truly have their feet under the table On the other hand, the progress or lack of, is concerning. It’s easy to just say a manager needs 2/3/4 years, but you need to see progress unfolding as that happens. As some have said, if this was last season and last season was this, I think we could be more optimistic. I’d have been less surprised by this last season given what he took over. The big problem IMO is that we are markedly worse this year in all areas. Easier to play against. Less cohesive up front. Scoring less. Conceding more, winning less. Losing more. And the players look less on board in terms of looking confident in the plan as they ever have. I don’t believe they’ve downed tools and I think ‘lose the dressing room’ is lazy and reductive, but you can see when players lose confidence in a plan and/or their ability to execute it. We look that way now. This has carried over somewhat from last season too. Our best football came before the league cup final. We’ve been patchy at best for the better part of a year. With INEOS coming in, it’s going to be very difficult for him. He’s not their guy and if we end up finishing 8th to 10th and the fans are as sedated and pissed off as they seem yesterday, they’re going to have a fairly simply decision. He needs a very strong finish to the season. Both in terms of results and performance. |
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Last year was ok. If it was a Fergie season it would have been a failure but those days are gone. We've had numerous better seasons than it post Fergie.
The drop off this season has been so big, the results and performances so poor that there's no way he can survive. After that League Cup final last year; most of us thought it was the start of something. There was so much optimism. We all expected a charge towards the title this year. Not many thought we'd win the thing but we all expected to at least still be in the race before the dark nights started. No other manager post Fergie has been able to survive with these types of performances/results and he will be no different. He has a stay of execution whilst BJR gets his feet under the table but that is all. It's not a question of if, it's when. |
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It was an excellent first season, but let's not go overboard - we won the league cup. I don't really care we also 'got to a cup final', we're not Leicester, we should have higher standards than that. And top four, yes great. The absolute bare minimum.
What has followed has been an absolute mess. I still want him to get more time because he's had a load of nonsense to deal with, off-field stuff, daft injuries, poor fashion sense, etc. And because there's nobody else it's worth ripping everything up for - again. |
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League cup was weird, thought was mainly ironic celebration and we were just looking forward to a return of better days, then it became like a serious achievement and we seemed to have gone backwards ever since. Sevilla was the point I think we might look back on as the moment we first knew deep down it might not work out at all
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