VAR - Time To Go

It’s to the point the officials are scared to make calls because they know they’ll be scrutinised .

There is some semi automated things that can implement , like have the goal line tech across all 4 lines of the whole pitch. It’s a billion pound industry surely the premier league could implement that.

That takes out any “ was the ball in or out “ nonsense.
The champions league has a decent semi automated offside. The real one that’s it’s impacted are handballs.

Also you’d like to think the officials get slow mo training and have an understanding that things slower down can and almost always look worse.

It’s a combination of poor use of tech and the officials not being clued up how to use it.

Well it's out done itself tonight at St James Park (peace and blessings be upon it)

Bruno Guimares gets away with this off the ball

https://x.com/FootballReprt/status/1720872292530393105?s=20

then this is deemed to be in

https://x.com/SparkyMate/status/1720879884086514132?s=20

Hate it. Maybe do a petition. It won’t work but how else do you voice the dissatisfaction?

Originally Posted by Fat Al

You can't even celebrate your team scoring a penalty because some school prefect @#%&! will be checking that none of our players were a couple of microns over the line at the time the ball was struck.
The people opposed to VAR said this is what would happen. They were shouted down but they were £#%&!ing spot on.

In the past, even if you got dodgy offside decisions , after the initial Seeth and in game piss boiling fans move on quick because it’s human error.

You got apologies and demotions every week now because we have technology to stop it and say why didn’t you get it right .

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well it's out done itself tonight at St James Park (peace and blessings be upon it)

Bruno Guimares gets away with this off the ball

https://x.com/FootballReprt/status/1...530393105?s=20


then this is deemed to be in
https://x.com/SparkyMate/status/1720...086514132?s=20

Tbh with the angle and picture you can’t tell if the the whole ball is out due to curvature .

The elbow to the face got nothing, compared to the shit Casemiro get. He got sent off for grabbing a collar of a player . This guy shoves his forearm into the Arsenal player..

I don’t even get the interpretation of the rule, the ball is long gone so his raising of his forearm to his face is not something that is part of challenging for a ball or something.

Did they not give it because it was his elbow and not fist? The studio mentioned something about it being a forearm . The guy ran towards the Arsenal player with the ball long gone , raised his forearm into the face of the opposition

Was 100% behind VAR before it came in. 100% behind £#%&!ing it off now. It's implemented horrendously. That Bayern game and the City pen last week were absolute jokes, it's impossible to watch those highlights and come out thinking that VAR works or is properly implemented on a game by game basis. It almost feels like officials have been given more license to dictate the narrative of an individual game now than they did before VAR.

The biggest £#%&! up of all was going all in with it in the first place, instead of dipping in a toe at a time. If it was brought in bit by bit on a trial basis then when it started to not work properly it could have been killed off or scaled back. But where do you even start now?

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Was 100% behind VAR before it came in. 100% behind £#%&!ing it off now. It's implemented horrendously. That Bayern game and the City pen last week were absolute jokes, it's impossible to watch those highlights and come out thinking that VAR works or is properly implemented on a game by game basis. It almost feels like officials have been given more license to dictate the narrative of an individual game now than they did before VAR.

The biggest £#%&! up of all was going all in with it in the first place, instead of dipping in a toe at a time. If it was brought in bit by bit on a trial basis then when it started to not work properly it could have been killed off or scaled back. But where do you even start now?

I never wanted it. But when they first brought it in it worked, not perfectly, but it was implemented relatively fairly. Where it went to shit, in the PL at least, was when they allowed referees more licence to “interpret” in Summer 2021. Why was that subtle change made? Because big bad Man Utd were getting too many penalties - penalties that I hasten to add, we were not getting in the years before VAR (you may recall LVG, Ole and especially Jose doing his nut at referees repeatedly). So we’re finally getting the penalties we should, Klopp and Guardiola kick off and the licence to “interpret” comes in. We’ve had barely anything since.

We also have the PGMOL pushing to bring in refs from other places, such as the openly scouse VAR Jared Gillet who shafted us today, and sending their refs to other “developing” leagues, like say,sending Michael Oliver to referee in the UAE. The same Michael Oliver who last week, as VAR, gave a ridiculous penalty to a team owned by the UAE. I’m sure that was all above board though right. Because we have to trust the integrity of the likes of YNWA singing, ex-South Yorkshire policeman Howard Webb.

I last watched MOTD a couple of weeks ago. Half the “highlights” were VAR related incidents, then most of the discussions amongst the pundits were about the veracity of those incidents.

It’s not just ruined football, it’s BECOME football. The whole game is just 22 people kicking a ball for a few minutes until someone in a van makes a decision. Then the game restarts and the process begins again.

I genuinely had to fight the urge to just £#%&! it all off this afternoon when the goal got ruled out.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well it's out done itself tonight at St James Park (peace and blessings be upon it)

Bruno Guimares gets away with this off the ball

https://x.com/FootballReprt/status/1...530393105?s=20


then this is deemed to be in
https://x.com/SparkyMate/status/1720...086514132?s=20

Not forgetting this bullshit in their game against Sheff Utd



Not a handball apparently.

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

Tbh with the angle and picture you can’t tell if the the whole ball is out due to curvature .

The simple and obvious rule is to look at the part of the ball that is touching the ground. In or out? Forget this 0.01% was hanging over the line garbage. Same with offside. Toenails shouldn’t count. Pick a central part of the body and that rules every time. Belly buttons are us.

Originally Posted by Dacter

I last watched MOTD a couple of weeks ago. Half the “highlights” were VAR related incidents, then most of the discussions amongst the pundits were about the veracity of those incidents.

It’s not just ruined football, it’s BECOME football. The whole game is just 22 people kicking a ball for a few minutes until someone in a van makes a decision. Then the game restarts and the process begins again.

I genuinely had to fight the urge to just £#%&! it all off this afternoon when the goal got ruled out.



Not forgetting this bullshit in their game against Sheff Utd



Not a handball apparently.

100% same here.

The sheer volume of terrible calls we've had, against what gets let go is shocking.

One from last season. Look where the ref is. He didn't call a foul, even though it was as clear as day. VAR said no penalty. How?! How doesn't the ref call it and then how does VAR not give it?

I knew it would be shite. I didn't think it would be this shite.

If it was used for what it was supposed to be for; clear and obvious errors - it'd be fine.

It's the laughable delve into the minutiae for every one of (our) goals that takes the piss.

It’s getting worse and it’s not consistent. They need to scrap aspects of it.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

If it was used for what it was supposed to be for; clear and obvious errors - it'd be fine.

It's the laughable delve into the minutiae for every one of (our) goals that takes the piss.

Unfortunately there's too much money in the game and too much pressure on the manager's and players to win to not insist that every decision be scrutinised. Whilst it's here I don't see a world in which it's only going to be used for "clear and obvious errors" as the definition of that is always going to be contested

Originally Posted by thrills_pills_bellyaches

Unfortunately there's too much money in the game and too much pressure on the manager's and players to win to not insist that every decision be scrutinised. Whilst it's here I don't see a world in which it's only going to be used for "clear and obvious errors" as the definition of that is always going to be contested

Goal line tech and offsides . They shouldn’t include it for any fouls or sendings offs or handballs.

Offsides are a bit more objective , (if the lines are drawn up correctly ) but the semi automated system they use in the champions league is quite decent.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well it's out done itself tonight at St James Park (peace and blessings be upon it)

Bruno Guimares gets away with this off the ball

https://x.com/FootballReprt/status/1...530393105?s=20


then this is deemed to be in
https://x.com/SparkyMate/status/1720...086514132?s=20

I can’t stand that sewer rat.

Originally Posted by MUFC One Love

It’s getting worse and it’s not consistent. They need to scrap aspects of it.

The trouble is, when something doesn't work, the temptation is to keeping adding complication to cover for the non working bit whereas the correct thing to do is to simplify. The obvious example is the offside rule, it's been added to and tweaked so much that there's loads of wriggle room now. What they should have done is gone back to the basic rule, no interfering with play or any of that %@#$&!s. And I'd agree with simplifying it to centre of mass rather than a knee or nose.

But VAR was always going to be shit, said it right from the beginning.

Totally agree. It’s ruined football. Keep goalline tech (could it even be extended to all around the pitch?) and bin the rest.

The whole point was to eliminate controversy and unfairness and it’s failed miserably to do that, while delaying matches and ruining moments of passion and joy. So it’s actually made things worse.

They also need to clarify the handball rule ffs

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well it's out done itself tonight at St James Park (peace and blessings be upon it)

Bruno Guimares gets away with this off the ball

https://x.com/FootballReprt/status/1...530393105?s=20


then this is deemed to be in
https://x.com/SparkyMate/status/1720...086514132?s=20

Another fine example of how it’s being horribly misused.

Here we have a player deliberately elbowing an opponent in the head. Violent conduct that is missed by an official. Something we want removed from games. Exactly the sort of thing you want extra cameras and potential intervention….but it’s just ignored.

Meanwhile, they’ll spend four minutes finding a reason to disallow a goal for any conceivable offside. Taking away goals. The reason we all watch the game. Not only that, they’re goals that nobody had an issue with being awarded. You haven’t got Fulham players appealing. Everyone was fine with the goal.

It’s not at all what people wanted this tech for.

Not only is the tech shite and being used by morons, but they’re not even applying it effectively imo.

It should never have become this thing that’s constantly running in the background and intervening. We should be using it if needed and requested.

We talk about how successful it is in other sports, but when you watch the tennis, you haven’t got hawk eye interrupting the play every few minutes to tell us a shot was out 2 minutes ago. The players have to appeal. They have 3 challenges. If they don’t, tough shit.

Cricket: if the onfield umpire doesn’t give LBW, the third umpire isn’t in his ear giving his opinion. He’s there’s to help in the event of an appeal by the team.

The game would flow so much better if teams had a number of appeals. If you think it’s offside, appeal, but there will be no intervention if you don’t. Limiting the number of appeals with reduce frivolous ones and it’s puts the responsibility back onto the onfield officials. We’d see less VAR and the teams would be in control of when it’s used and we wouldn’t be at the mercy of some gimp in a van deciding how the game should go.

The only trouble with having a number of appeals is you'd have to find a player in each team that could count to three.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Well it's out done itself tonight at St James Park (peace and blessings be upon it)

Bruno Guimares gets away with this off the ball

https://x.com/FootballReprt/status/1...530393105?s=20


then this is deemed to be in
https://x.com/SparkyMate/status/1720...086514132?s=20

Watched the highlights this morning. I cannot understand how he didn't get sent off

This is where the implementation just doesn't make sense. It's being used as a tool for referees to force their ineptitude* on even more incidents in a match.

Before VAR that elbow would've been missed and would be replayed and talked about how much we need VAR and discussing how the referees missed it. With VAR, they get to watch a player deliberately elbowing another player in the face 10 times and decide that it's perfectly fine. Remember when Casemiro was sent off for holding off a player that was trying to get at him, which was a decision made via VAR.

It has improved nothing.

* Giving some referees the benefit of the doubt.