Not winning the league this season.

Originally Posted by Serenity Now

Sometimes you have to fail in order to succeed; lose in order to win; fall over in order to bounce back. Sometimes that's what football's all about.

Or as Wenger said, "bouncebackability".

TFR.

Originally Posted by Spiffy

Or as Wenger said, "bouncebackability".

TFR.

wasn't that Steve McClaren?

Originally Posted by wonky no

there is no benefit in not winning the title.

Yep

Originally Posted by wonky no

win or lose the league, every season has it's own challenge. we will sign players wether we win it or not. their is no silver lining to losing the title.

losing the title means we wont win it 4 times in a row.
losing the title means fergie wont be unique.
losing the title means we wont get as much money.
losing the title means the scouse still have half a chance of getting to 19 before us.


there is no benefit in not winning the title.

Yeah, he's done nothing to set himself apart tbh.

Originally Posted by believe

wasn't that Steve McClaren?

Ian Dowie.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Well, he's already the only manager ever to win three in a row once, let alone do it twice.

And to win the Treble.

And to write seventeen autobiographies (or whatever).

Pretty sure it was done by Herbert Chapman, but not with one club.

Originally Posted by believe

wasn't that Steve McClaren?

Thought it was that nutter from Plymouth.

Originally Posted by Alan

Ian Dowie.

You're right, I Googled it, sad @#%&! that I am.

Originally Posted by otbarney

Pretty sure it was done by Herbert Chapman, but not with one club.

Yes and no. He did it with Huddersfield (they have never won the title since) but died before Arsenal made it a hat-trick.

1 man has never taken the same club to 4 in a row- unique.

Originally Posted by otbarney

Pretty sure it was done by Herbert Chapman, but not with one club.

No, he won two with Huddersfield (1924 + 1925) but then left, only to see his team win it again the following year. Then he won two with Arsenal with a gap in the middle (1931 + 1933), and again his team went on to win 3 in a row but he died in 1934 so only saw the first of those.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Yes and no. He did it with Huddersfield (they have never won the title since) but died before Arsenal made it a hat-trick.

That's not true actually, see above.

Fergie remains the only manager ever to win 3 in a row with one club, and not only that but he's done it twice.
(Whether someone else has done it with two clubs I don't know).

Sorry to go all rawkish but if that were Wenger....

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Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Yes and no. He did it with Huddersfield (they have never won the title since) but died before Arsenal made it a hat-trick.

Yep, I'm getting confused, Huddersfield won 3 on the bounce, but with 2 different managers.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Will probably be for the best in the long run.

We are a club that responds well to a challenge. Us being so utterly dominant over the last 3 years always runs the risk of complacency.

We need that challenge, we need another team to be there standing toe-to-toe with us. It brings the best out of our manager.

Agreed. Hope we get relegated next season.

You know, for the the good of the future.

£#%&! me, Liverpool have played it perfectly this season

Originally Posted by Zorg

No, he won two with Huddersfield (1924 + 1925) but then left, only to see his team win it again the following year. Then he won two with Arsenal with a gap in the middle (1931 + 1933), and again his team went on to win 3 in a row but he died in 1934 so only saw the first of those.

I didn't actually know the third Huddersfield title wasn't his

Originally Posted by user_name

Agreed. Hope we get relegated next season.

You know, for the the good of the future.

£#%&! me, Liverpool have played it perfectly this season

Oh shutup.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

I didn't actually know the third Huddersfield title wasn't his

It's often mentioned, probably because in all fairness, it was the team that he built and he was a brilliant pioneer in football so he deserves the credit. But technically he didn't do the 3 in a row.

It just always strikes me as something that's missing when accolades are piled on Fergie - winning 3 in a row, twice, is amazing, but it's never mentioned.

"there's no benefit to not winning the league wah wah wah"

well guess what, we're not going to win it so we'll have to draw on this experience and come back stronger next season.

The sting of failure makes sure there's still hunger and the younger players in the squad will learn from the bitter experience, building character.

being so convinced of your own superiority breeds complacency, as we saw in the summer.

there's dead wood in the squad that needs binning. Hopefully this season will have shown up the weaknesses to such an extent that something will be done about them.

Originally Posted by svens robotic nob

probably only for serinity, but

"one cannot always depend on past successes to guarantee future success, but one can always learn from lessons drawn from failure."

Indeed. Like I've always said, 大かた武士の平常思ふ心を計るに、武士は唯死すると云ふ道を嗜む事と覺〔さと〕る程の儀なり.