İstanbul Başakşehir v Manchester United Official Match Thread 4/11/20 5:55pm

Originally Posted by puressence

I’d players need to be coached about the first goal. We literally may aswell fold the club. I’ve coached 9 year olds with more nounce

How is Barry Bennell?

Originally Posted by puressence

I’d players need to be coached about the first goal. We literally may aswell fold the club. I’ve coached 9 year olds with more nounce

Thank christ you spelt that right pal.

Originally Posted by puressence

I’ve coached 9 year olds with more nounce

just when you thought that goal was the worst thing you'd seen in the last 24 hours.

Originally Posted by jem

right... he isn't good enough because he can't be the whole midfield? no one can.

I can't fix you.

There's only you in the whole World that thinks we play a one man midfield.

Originally Posted by Ethers

How is Barry Bennell?

Busy

Originally Posted by sloppy

thank christ you spelt that right pal.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally Posted by dunk

There's only you in the whole World that thinks we play a one man midfield.

indeed. sometimes we play pogba in a two. which amounts to the same thing.

we generally play one defensive midfielder. have done since carrick. no one... not even a young kante... can be left to play that role alone. the other "midfielders" have to provide cover.

really, we need two nominally defensive midfielders. when we looked half-decent last season, we had fred and mctog playing there together. not great players. but looking better because the balance of the team is better.

last night, bruno, mata and dvb offered absolutely £#%&! all in terms in helping matic defend.

when we have fullbacks who go wandering and don't come back, it is not fair to expect matic to do £#%&!ing everything to stop the central defence (when not in the opposition penalty area) being exposed.

the same £#%&!wits slate matic every £#%&!ing game.

the diamond is a piece of shit, incidentally.

Originally Posted by jem

indeed. sometimes we play pogba in a two. which amounts to the same thing.

we generally play one defensive midfielder. have done since carrick. no one... not even a young kante... can be left to play that role alone. the other "midfielders" have to provide cover.

really, we need two nominally defensive midfielders. when we looked half-decent last season, we had fred and mctog playing there together. not great players. but looking better because the balance of the team is better.

last night, bruno, mata and dvb offered absolutely £#%&! all in terms in helping matic defend.

when we have fullbacks who wandering and don't come back, it is not fair to expect matic to do £#%&!ing everything to stop the central defence (when not in the opposition penalty area) being exposed.

the same £#%&!wits slate matic every £#%&!ing game.

Because his legs have gone, brief Indian summer last season notwithstanding, and 1 outstanding season at Chelsea aside, he was never that good to begin with.

You cannot blame his need for 2-3 touches and shite range of passing on lack of legs around him, I'm afraid. Should never have been given a new deal, did just enough to earn one and then reverted to type; spent force.

I'd say the £#%&!wit is whoever thinks he should be anywhere near the United team in any capacity, tbh.

Originally Posted by dunk

Because his legs have gone, brief Indian summer last season notwithstanding, and 1 outstanding season at Chelsea aside, he was never that good to begin with.

You cannot blame his need for 2-3 touches and shite range of passing on lack of legs around him, I'm afraid. Should never have been given a new deal, did just enough to earn one and then reverted to type; spent force.

I'd say the £#%&!wit is whoever thinks he should be anywhere near the United team in any capacity, tbh.

there might be another reason some of you dislike Matic? It’s literally screaming out from some of your posts...
what makes you think Matic is a negative influence on the dressing room?
he is never in trouble, never falling out with any players but some of you have taken it amongst yourself to say he is having a negative effect on the dressing room?

like what the £#%&!.
just call him a cracka and get on with it
.

Originally Posted by dunk

Because his legs have gone, brief Indian summer last season notwithstanding, and 1 outstanding season at Chelsea aside, he was never that good to begin with.

You cannot blame his need for 2-3 touches and shite range of passing on lack of legs around him, I'm afraid. Should never have been given a new deal, did just enough to earn one and then reverted to type; spent force.

I'd say the £#%&!wit is whoever thinks he should be anywhere near the United team in any capacity, tbh.

Harsh on Matic. I was desperate for us to sign a dm in the summer, but I also thought keeping Matic was a good idea. If used sparingly I think he’s very good, he just turns into an 80 year old after about 3-4 games on the trot. Instead we signed no dm and now have to rely on him way more than we should as there isn’t one other player who can play that role (well).

Originally Posted by Sparky***

there might be another reason some of you dislike Matic? It’s literally screaming out from some of your posts...
what makes you think Matic is a negative influence on the dressing room?
he is never in trouble, never falling out with any players but some of you have taken it amongst yourself to say he is having a negative effect on the dressing room?

like what the £#%&!.
just call him a cracka and get on with it
.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

there might be another reason some of you dislike Matic? It’s literally screaming out from some of your posts...
what makes you think Matic is a negative influence on the dressing room?
he is never in trouble, never falling out with any players but some of you have taken it amongst yourself to say he is having a negative effect on the dressing room?

like what the £#%&!.
just call him a cracka and get on with it
.

Have some rep

Originally Posted by NedKelly

Harsh on Matic. I was desperate for us to sign a dm in the summer, but I also thought keeping Matic was a good idea. If used sparingly I think he’s very good, he just turns into an 80 year old after about 3-4 games on the trot. Instead we signed no dm and now have to rely on him way more than we should as there isn’t one other player who can play that role (well).

Wasn't last night his first start in a while? Looked 80 from the off tbh.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

there might be another reason some of you dislike Matic? It’s literally screaming out from some of your posts...
what makes you think Matic is a negative influence on the dressing room?
he is never in trouble, never falling out with any players but some of you have taken it amongst yourself to say he is having a negative effect on the dressing room?

like what the £#%&!.
just call him a cracka and get on with it
.

Originally Posted by dunk

Because his legs have gone, brief Indian summer last season notwithstanding, and 1 outstanding season at Chelsea aside, he was never that good to begin with.

You cannot blame his need for 2-3 touches and shite range of passing on lack of legs around him, I'm afraid. Should never have been given a new deal, did just enough to earn one and then reverted to type; spent force.

I'd say the £#%&!wit is whoever thinks he should be anywhere near the United team in any capacity, tbh.

he wouldn't be in the team if we had bought two defensive midfielders in the last window.

Originally Posted by jem

he wouldn't be in the team if we had bought two defensive midfielders in the last window.

He wouldn't be in the team if we didn't insist on prolonging the agony by offering new contracts to players clearly on the wane/past it and dragging it out. We should have young players on the up coming in trying to prove their worth, not players like Matic and Mata hanging on to a place in the squad by their fingernails.

Originally Posted by dunk

He wouldn't be in the team if we didn't insist on prolonging the agony by offering new contracts to players clearly on the wane/past it and dragging it out. We should have young players on the up coming in trying to prove their worth, not players like Matic and Mata hanging on to a place in the squad by their fingernails.

It cheaper for the owners to extend an existimg contract than investing in new players (not that they have ever personally invested in the team).

It certainly appears that playing Mata & Matic in the same team makes the build up much too slow and it's not helped by not having effective wide players or attacking FB's.

Originally Posted by LaPaz

It cheaper for the owners to extend an existimg contract than investing in new players (not that they have ever personally invested in the team).

It certainly appears that playing Mata & Matic in the same team makes the build up much too slow and it's not helped by not having effective wide players or attacking FB's.

I know that. Everything about our squad and transfer policy is a misguided and horrible cost cutting exercise where the primary rule seems to be; spend £10k to save £1.

Originally Posted by dunk

I know that. Everything about our squad and transfer policy is a misguided and horrible cost cutting exercise where the primary rule seems to be; spend £10k to save £1.

Sorry wasn't trying to infer you wern't tuned into how the owners really operate.

Originally Posted by Lok

Too true. But again, the coaches have to take a lot of blame for that. If it's 1 or 2 players then you look at the individuals, but it's pretty much the whole team. It's obviously a problem that Ole inherited but he hasn't fixed it. His approach of putting an arm around them and patting them on the head is just making failure seem more acceptable to the players.

Matic is a strange one. He came on against Arsenal and looked good. He was directing play, getting stuck in and had a great sense of urgency. The next game he starts and looks uninterested and woeful.

Well the Mou Mou approach of telling them they were @#%&!s (occasionally in public) didn't work either. So what will?