Giggs.

Originally Posted by Wingers

only for a season.

You could use Dalglish as an example.

The man who started well when he inherited the best team in Britain and with paisley helping him, but eventually started the decline at Liverpool when he needed to refresh the team around 1990? Not the best example.

Guardiola, Cruyff, and to a lesser extent Keegan are the only ones I can think of in the past 30 years who went straight in at a big club and did well. For a short time. Maybe Beckenbaur, but I don't know his managerial history that well. And even then, they likely had some experiece of managing people, if only for a short while prior to taking the job.

I'm hoping Giggs is sensible and knows he has to manage elsewhere before even thinking of the united job. 2 or 3 years under van gaal, then take his chums to another club and work up.

I guess it depends if he just wants to tick a box that says he was united manager for at least a couple of years or whether he wants to increase his chance of managing us for 10-20 years. If united went the sentimental route, I'd rather ole got the job. And I'm sure that would also give fergie what he wants.

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

Well, my contribution was that Van Gaal might well stay longer than the Summer of 2017 making any debate about his successor now futile.

If the team continues to progress as he intends, I think he will sign an extension, probably 2 more years, and Giggs will move on to his own club.

And if Giggs gets off to the good start in management that Keane and robson both did, he'll probably get the united job when van gaal goes. Which would be a mistake, as the subsequent progress of robson and Keane's careers show after their initial impressive start. In robsons case, he looked made for united when at boro.

If Giggs managed elsewhere he still wouldn't be good enough for you lot, unless he went to Chelsea or City he's got £#%&! all chance of winning a major trophy, Keane got Sunderland out of the shit and got them up he's not good enough, Bruce has won a few promotions and he wouldn't be good enough, Robson almost won trophies with £#%&!ing Middlesbrough and he wouldn't be good enough. Most of you think Martinez is a c*** and he's won the FA Cup with £#%&!ing Wigan.

What job is it that Giggs has to do that will pay his dues prove to you £#%&!ing naysayers that he deserves the job? Because honestly all that will happen is that you will say he's not qualified because he's never been in a title race with Reading or £#%&!ing Cardiff or some other c***s that no one could get near a league. It's like catch 22 to get the United job he has to go and cut his teeth in another job, but when he does he won't be used to dealing with the level United are at we should be looking elsewhere.

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

If Giggs managed elsewhere he still wouldn't be good enough for you lot, unless he went to Chelsea or City he's got £#%&! all chance of winning a major trophy, Keane got Sunderland out of the shit and got them up he's not good enough, Bruce has won a few promotions and he wouldn't be good enough, Robson almost won trophies with £#%&!ing Middlesbrough and he wouldn't be good enough. Most of you think Martinez is a c*** and he's won the FA Cup with £#%&!ing Wigan.

What job is it that Giggs has to do that will pay his dues prove to you £#%&!ing naysayers that he deserves the job? Because honestly all that will happen is that you will say he's not qualified because he's never been in a title race with Reading or £#%&!ing Cardiff or some other c***s that no one could get near a league. It's like catch 22 to get the United job he has to go and cut his teeth in another job, but when he does he won't be used to dealing with the level United are at we should be looking elsewhere.

Keane, bruce, robson for united job

Originally Posted by angrydimaria

Keane, bruce, robson for united job

I was simply using them as a series of examples to illustrate that in the sort of jobs that Giggs could go to the experience he would get would mean £#%&! all to people who don't think he should get the job now.

Bit surprised I had to explain that to be honest. £#%&!s sake.

Originally Posted by utd99

You're making yourself look like a mug to be honest. Every thread that starts on here these days you can almost count down the posts until the first member of the forum gestapo show up to tell everyone to disperse because they feel this isn't a subject fit for discussion, or try to relegate others opinions to bed wetting. Boring. Then you'll probably go and take the piss out of Rawk.

Well as always the people will decide what they do and don't want to talk about, not you. You don't like it, £#%&! off. Simple.

Still way too long.

Forum Gestapo?

Ashton Red - congratulations IT'S A BOY!

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

If Giggs managed elsewhere he still wouldn't be good enough for you lot, unless he went to Chelsea or City he's got £#%&! all chance of winning a major trophy, Keane got Sunderland out of the shit and got them up he's not good enough, Bruce has won a few promotions and he wouldn't be good enough, Robson almost won trophies with £#%&!ing Middlesbrough and he wouldn't be good enough. Most of you think Martinez is a c*** and he's won the FA Cup with £#%&!ing Wigan.

What job is it that Giggs has to do that will pay his dues prove to you £#%&!ing naysayers that he deserves the job? Because honestly all that will happen is that you will say he's not qualified because he's never been in a title race with Reading or £#%&!ing Cardiff or some other c***s that no one could get near a league. It's like catch 22 to get the United job he has to go and cut his teeth in another job, but when he does he won't be used to dealing with the level United are at we should be looking elsewhere.

Scholes shouldn't get it either.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Scholes shouldn't get it either.

I've phoned Stuart Pearson and told him his three titles with the Droylsden Dynamoes u11 girls team in the late 80's aren't enough for consideration either.

For AngrydiMaria's benefit, that wasn't serious.

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

If Giggs managed elsewhere he still wouldn't be good enough for you lot, unless he went to Chelsea or City he's got £#%&! all chance of winning a major trophy, Keane got Sunderland out of the shit and got them up he's not good enough, Bruce has won a few promotions and he wouldn't be good enough, Robson almost won trophies with £#%&!ing Middlesbrough and he wouldn't be good enough. Most of you think Martinez is a c*** and he's won the FA Cup with £#%&!ing Wigan.

What job is it that Giggs has to do that will pay his dues prove to you £#%&!ing naysayers that he deserves the job? Because honestly all that will happen is that you will say he's not qualified because he's never been in a title race with Reading or £#%&!ing Cardiff or some other c***s that no one could get near a league. It's like catch 22 to get the United job he has to go and cut his teeth in another job, but when he does he won't be used to dealing with the level United are at we should be looking elsewhere.

There is some truth to this, however none of the players you mentioned were viable candidates by the time Fergie came to hang it up. At points in their managerial careers maybe they would have been considered, but by the end of the 12/13 season they hadn't done enough. Their fault, not ours.

Look, all these managers that are considered top guys (with the possible exception of Pep) started somewhere small. With Wenger it was Nancy, Ancellotti, Regiana, Fergie, St Mirren. Even Mourinho who people think started at Porto actually began at a tin pot Portuguese side after getting binned from Benfica. If you have it, you have it, and timing being what it is hopefully a vacancy comes when you are doing well. But I think it's essential you get used to being the man, making the calls and developing your own style, all while being under pressure, before calling the shots at a club like United. Fergie did too.

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

Still way too long.

Forum Gestapo?

Ashton Red - congratulations IT'S A BOY!

Mate, it's a big site. Why don't you £#%&! off to a thread you think is valid, rather than polluting this one with rambling nonsense?

Never thought I'd be praying for 4th tbh.

Originally Posted by utd99

There is some truth to this, however none of the players you mentioned were viable candidates by the time Fergie came to hang it up. At points in their managerial careers maybe they would have been considered, but by the end of the 12/13 season they hadn't done enough. Their fault, not ours.

Look, all these managers that are considered top guys (with the possible exception of Pep) started somewhere small. With Wenger it was Nancy, Ancellotti, Regiana, Fergie, St Mirren. Even Mourinho who people think started at Porto actually began at a tin pot Portuguese side after getting binned from Benfica. If you have it, you have it, and timing being what it is hopefully a vacancy comes when you are doing well. But I think it's essential you get used to being the man, making the calls and developing your own style, all while being under pressure, before calling the shots at a club like United. Fergie did too.

But the two darlings of this board LVG and Pep both walked straight into a big club from the off. Del Bosque never managed outside Madrid, United was Busby's first job, Paisley never managed anywhere but Liverpool

Originally Posted by utd99

There is some truth to this, however none of the players you mentioned were viable candidates by the time Fergie came to hang it up. At points in their managerial careers maybe they would have been considered, but by the end of the 12/13 season they hadn't done enough. Their fault, not ours.

Look, all these managers that are considered top guys (with the possible exception of Pep) started somewhere small. With Wenger it was Nancy, Ancellotti, Regiana, Fergie, St Mirren. Even Mourinho who people think started at Porto actually began at a tin pot Portuguese side after getting binned from Benfica. If you have it, you have it, and timing being what it is hopefully a vacancy comes when you are doing well. But I think it's essential you get used to being the man, making the calls and developing your own style, all while being under pressure, before calling the shots at a club like United. Fergie did too.

East Stirlingshire, in fact - about as small as you can get

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

East Stirlingshire, in fact - about as small as you can get

Good catch.

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

But the two darlings of this board LVG and Pep both walked straight into a big club from the off. Del Bosque never managed outside Madrid, United was Busby's first job, Paisley never managed anywhere but Liverpool

Which is true also, although United pre Busby was a different animal than United of today. Look I'm not saying it can't be done, of course it could; it's not guaranteed failure. I just think it's too big a risk to hire someone with no experience of being a manager. It's not where we are right now.

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

If Giggs managed elsewhere he still wouldn't be good enough for you lot, unless he went to Chelsea or City he's got £#%&! all chance of winning a major trophy

You could have said the same thing about fergie managing someone other than rangers or Celtic in Scotland, or klopp taking over a financially struggling Dortmund in Germany. If Giggs is good enough for united, he'll do something special to show it, like fergie did. Take a club like Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton or villa into the champions league consistently or win the fa cup. Is there a reason he has to stay in England?

What job is it that Giggs has to do that will pay his dues prove to you £#%&!ing naysayers that he deserves the job?

A special one. How about Porto winning the champions league?

It's like catch 22 to get the United job he has to go and cut his teeth in another job, but when he does he won't be used to dealing with the level United are at we should be looking elsewhere.

That would suggest there's no way for any man to become qualified to manage united. Except there's van gaal, there's klopp, there's mourinho, there's ancelotti etc. They somehow managed to become qualified. Why is it beyond Giggs? Why isn't he expected to become qualified like they have?

Was going to go to see Barrence WhItfield and The Savages on Friday, but couldn't make it in the end.

Originally Posted by ScholesGingerSheen

But the two darlings of this board LVG and Pep both walked straight into a big club from the off. Del Bosque never managed outside Madrid, United was Busby's first job, Paisley never managed anywhere but Liverpool

And you see no difference between any of them and Giggs? They all paid their dues. All vastly experienced before being given the manager's job. Guardiola is the only one that comes anywhere near Giggs and he was still more experienced managing people, and started at a low level, yet took over a team of excellent players and was burnt out inside a few years.