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Unread 14-08-2018, 08:53 PM
Cream
 
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The rest of the world entered that era a long time ago. It doesn't require miracles, but it does require the club and the manager to share a vision. It seems quite clear that isn't the case, and if United's biggest star is now making a power play, it spells danger for Mou.

The harsh reality for Mourinho is that Woodward is more important to the Glazers than him and Pogba is probably more important to Woodward than him. He's going to need what little tact he has left to manage those confrontations, because he probably can't win them.
Pogba definitely more important I would've thought.

Remember when the quisling Kenyon was trying to squeeze Mou out, and Abramovich sided with Mou? How times change.

He's powerless.
 
Unread 14-08-2018, 09:18 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Pogba definitely more important I would've thought.

Remember when the quisling Kenyon was trying to squeeze Mou out, and Abramovich sided with Mou? How times change.

He's powerless.
Had all the players onside then, plus his own stock was sky high. Now he's got the star player, who is mates with the local lads as well as the likes of Lukaku, Martial and apparently now it suits him, Shaw. Usually Mou would savage him, but this he may have to take.

No doubt Pogba's comments will have left him fuming though. Coming at the same time the club briefed against him. Walls closing in.
 
Unread 14-08-2018, 09:22 PM
Cream
 
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Had all the players onside then, plus his own stock was sky high. Now he's got the star player, who is mates with the local lads as well as the likes of Lukaku, Martial and apparently now it suits him, Shaw. Usually Mou would savage him, but this he may have to take.

No doubt Pogba's comments will have left him fuming though. Coming at the same time the club briefed against him. Walls closing in.
Hotel walls.
Rui? RUI?
 
Unread 14-08-2018, 09:24 PM
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Under normal circumstances this sort of power struggle would concern me but the fact is Mou's brought all the problems with players on himself, he publicly digs out players too often. You can maybe do it in extremis, but it's been Mou's go to move. Mkhitaryan, Shaw, Martial and Pogba have all been slated in pressers.

So the club is staring down the barrel of Shaw and Martial walking away for nowt at the end of contracts or agitating for a move if we trigger Martial's option (that's £70million pissed away), Pogba is clearly unhappy about something, Mkhitaryan cost £27million and recouped nothing except a fat signing on fee and salary for a so far even less effective Sanchez.

The teams reaction to Shaw's goal was pretty telling.

Any club would be asking questions at this point.

As someone said when the Moyes debacle was coming to an end and the press were in full voice that he should have more time, other managers get blamed for losing the dressing room, in this case some people want to blame the dressing room for being lost.
 
Unread 14-08-2018, 11:15 PM
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Odds on Larry White coming in to replace Jose? I really can't see the latter lasting much longer.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 12:11 AM
S/Side.Red
 
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Odds on Larry White coming in to replace Jose? I really can't see the latter lasting much longer.
Not great given he hates black French lads, imo.

Maybe interim basis. Don't let Pogba have it all his own way.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 07:09 AM
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Always believed a manager should be the one who chooses his signings . After all it’s he who will be judged on their performance. A DOF can maybe have input into who the manager should be so that a style of play can be maintained but once chosen the manager should have autonomy in player recruitment . Yes managers might only buy for the present , but that’s because they are judged that way. No manager now is going to be given 3 years to build without accountability for results. Clubs reap what they sow in this regard.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 04:37 PM
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http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-director-role

seems promising...
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 04:45 PM
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The successful candidate will be charged with restructuring United's already sizeable scouting network, building a new philosophy at the club, where players aren't bought at the top of their value.
5 years too late, but that's what we need.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 05:13 PM
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5 years too late, but that's what we need.
New iPads?
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 05:39 PM
red in cumbria
 
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New iPads?
Don't forget the whiteboards as well.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 06:14 PM
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It should have been in place or at least in the short terms plans when Fergie was retiring. It does feel as if almost everyone connected to the club was in some level of denial over the difficulty of the transition from Fergie.

Actually feel sorry for Moyes now, he should never have been seriously considered but he had no chance with reality rushing towards the club.

First order of business for a new DOF is to work out what type of club Utd want to be, the shit version of Madrid throwing money and names at the problem they have been during these 5 years or one with an identity that can survive management and player changes.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 06:34 PM
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The successful candidate will be charged with restructuring United's already sizeable scouting network, building a new philosophy at the club, where players aren't bought at the top of their value.
5 years too late, but that's what we need.
So basically, what we had before the gimps and Woodward got their grubby mitts into the football side of things.

Stupid £#%&!ing nonces.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 07:19 PM
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Actually feel sorry for Moyes now, he should never have been seriously considered but he had no chance with reality rushing towards the club.
In some ways he had an impossible job, but it is still pushing it to feel sympathy for him. Several of his decisions made things (even) worse.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 08:57 PM
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5 years too late, but that's what we need.
If they had been thinking like this 5-6 years ago Van Gaal may well have worked out at United. Shame about the timing, but it's progress.

Based on what they're leaking at the moment, I'd be shocked if Pochettino isn't their dream appointment in the near future.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 09:33 PM
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If they had been thinking like this 5-6 years ago Van Gaal may well have worked out at United. Shame about the timing, but it's progress.

Based on what they're leaking at the moment, I'd be shocked if Pochettino isn't their dream appointment in the near future.
And ours...

Bring him home!
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 09:43 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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And ours...

Bring him home!


Who knows what was said. What promises made
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 09:52 PM
windy waffles
 
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Who knows what was said. What promises made
He would be writing a wrong, nqat.
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 09:52 PM
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5 years too late, but that's what we need.
didn't we already restructure this about 3 years ago?
 
Unread 15-08-2018, 10:04 PM
dunk
 
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didn't we already restructure this about 3 years ago?
Badly, possibly.
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