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Unread 02-03-2018, 03:42 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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If it potentially saves us from another Porto 04 or Drogba and Terry 09/10, then work away

Why it's been dodgy thus far is beyond me quite frankly. Wouldn't have thought that
Because they’re not keeping it to clearly bad decisions that are immediately obvious. They’re debating whether a kneecap is offside for 8 minutes.

It would have taken 10 seconds to see a replay and know scholes’ goal was onside, if that.

The times var is used to change a decision should be quite rare. There haven’t been that many mental decisions over the years that are a clear injustice. Maradonna and the France/ireland playoff are the types of thing var should be for.
 
Unread 02-03-2018, 05:45 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Poch
Spot on. And he's one of the few that can say that with a straight face as he generally avoids panning the referees for decisions.

Managers who constantly whine about officials have to suck this up now. They've been asking for it for years.
 
Unread 03-03-2018, 08:58 AM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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It should be an assistant to the referee in deciding very marginal, potentially game changing decisions.
That’s exactly what it shouldn’t be used for. Marginal decisions don’t matter as they’ll average out, like tossing a coin. It’s like poker, getting a close decision wrong doesn’t matter either way and won’t hurt your profit in the long run. It’s getting clear cut decisions wrong that do so.

Besides, if you start using it for marginal offsides then it creates all kind of issues which mean those situations will no longer average out. Offside goals that we’re initially thought onside will be ruled out, but when a player is running through on goal and incorrectly given offside, play is stopped and the chance denied.
 
Unread 03-03-2018, 10:07 AM
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Football conspiracy theorists are beginning to wonder if our officials are being deliberaely inept with VAR because they don't want it in full time.
 
Unread 03-03-2018, 11:54 AM
sa7
 
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That’s exactly what it shouldn’t be used for. Marginal decisions don’t matter as they’ll average out, like tossing a coin. It’s like poker, getting a close decision wrong doesn’t matter either way and won’t hurt your profit in the long run. It’s getting clear cut decisions wrong that do so.

Besides, if you start using it for marginal offsides then it creates all kind of issues which mean those situations will no longer average out. Offside goals that we’re initially thought onside will be ruled out, but when a player is running through on goal and incorrectly given offside, play is stopped and the chance denied.
%@#$&!s. If it's clearly offside they should call it without recourse to VAR.

If used it should be for extremely tight calls to help the referee make a decision. The evening itself out thing is a red herring.
 
Unread 03-03-2018, 01:37 PM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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%@#$&!s. If it's clearly offside they should call it without recourse to VAR.
Of course they should. And they usually do 99% of the time. But mistakes happen and that’s where the injustice comes in. The whole point of injustice is that they are clear cut wrong decions that are rare. Which is what var should be used to remove, because the cost is great and the long run is too long for them to average out.

Scholes goal should have stood against Porto. Maradonna’s goal should have been disallowed. The French goal against Ireland shouldn’t have stood. The ref and linesmen shouldn’t have made such poor decisions in situations that weren’t close. But they did. And those injustices would have been sorted before the celebrations were finished rather than taking 10 minutes to decide on a marginal decision which happen 10 times a game.

It doesn’t matter if someone is a gnat’s %@#$&! onside or offside. It’s luck of the call for one particular outcome where the long term outcome averages out as the number of calls increase. It’s neutral.

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The evening itself out thing is a red herring.
It’s basic maths. It doesn’t even out. It averages out.
 
Unread 03-03-2018, 02:49 PM
Billy Redface
 
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Of course they should. And they usually do 99% of the time. But mistakes happen and that’s where the injustice comes in. The whole point of injustice is that they are clear cut wrong decions that are rare. Which is what var should be used to remove, because the cost is great and the long run is too long for them to average out.

Scholes goal should have stood against Porto. Maradonna’s goal should have been disallowed. The French goal against Ireland shouldn’t have stood. The ref and linesmen shouldn’t have made such poor decisions in situations that weren’t close. But they did. And those injustices would have been sorted before the celebrations were finished rather than taking 10 minutes to decide on a marginal decision which happen 10 times a game.

It doesn’t matter if someone is a gnat’s %@#$&! onside or offside. It’s luck of the call for one particular outcome where the long term outcome averages out as the number of calls increase. It’s neutral.



It’s basic maths. It doesn’t even out. It averages out.

But there's no connection between the impact of a decision and how poor a decision is.

The cost is great?

So we only to use it in circumstances we deem costly?

And where is the line between what is a big error and what is a normal error?

We often don't know the impact of decisions until later. The level of injustice is massively subjective.

We either use it for specific categories of decisions or we don't.

Personally, I don't like it. Very few calls are entirely objective and a matter of fact. Goal line, offside, ok.

Anything else, not for me.

And this system they seem to have where they are checking goals to make sure nothing is wrong before awarding them is the tipping point for me. A definite no.

I'll take being royally screwed over rather than never being able to enjoy a goal in the moment again.

We've been watching football for 100 years knowing that luck or a bad decision can cost something. Yet we all come back and watch. It's a problem that doesn't need rectifying imo.
 
Unread 03-03-2018, 03:26 PM
TheFatGoth
 
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Unread 03-03-2018, 04:54 PM
Fat Al
 
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Football conspiracy theorists are beginning to wonder if our officials are being deliberaely inept with VAR because they don't want it in full time.
You know, I was thinking the same thing.

But then, I can't see why. It would remove them from the decision making process & they could be 'perfect'.
 
Unread 04-03-2018, 01:30 AM
sa7
 
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You know, I was thinking the same thing.

But then, I can't see why. It would remove them from the decision making process & they could be 'perfect'.
in their own minds, they already are.
 
Unread 27-03-2018, 09:37 PM
TheFatGoth
 
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How's that a pen ffs?
 
Unread 27-03-2018, 10:05 PM
naes_sean
 
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How's that a pen ffs?
Stood on the attackers foot.
 
Unread 27-03-2018, 10:28 PM
TheFatGoth
 
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Stood on the attackers foot.
Who was already going down and wasn't in control of the ball
 
Unread 20-10-2018, 02:22 PM
TheFatGoth
 
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