Legia Warsaw

Who were they playing when they unveiled it?

Originally Posted by believe

Why is it in English?

Universal language.. wider audience. A lot of displays are.

A bit graphic an unnecessary imo but I suppose it's easier said when your people weren't on the end of this.

It's in regards to Poland possibly demanding reparations from Germany for the destruction and deaths caused. They may have a point no matter how far down the line it is.

Originally Posted by 20 times

Who were they playing when they unveiled it?

who £#%&!ing cares

Originally Posted by believe

Why is it in English?

so Tufty could see how its done

Originally Posted by ryanMUFC

Universal language.. wider audience. A lot of displays are.

A bit graphic an unnecessary imo but I suppose it's easier said when your people weren't on the end of this.

It's in regards to Poland possibly demanding reparations from Germany for the destruction and deaths caused. They may have a point no matter how far down the line it is.

I get your point about the Germans paying, but they have already shelled out a lot for the "sins of their fathers" and they are certainly not shy in admitting blame, however do you think that the current Americans should make bigger reparations to the indigenous tribes that they massacred and took land from ? How about the Australians ? How about the British and French in Africa ? In modern times, how about the British paying to rebuild Iraq and paying reparations to each and every family that lost a loved one in that conflict ? If Blair is a war criminal then Britain must accept responsibility, apologise and pay reparations shouldn't they ?

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

I get your point about the Germans paying, but they have already shelled out a lot for the "sins of their fathers" and they are certainly not shy in admitting blame, however do you think that the current Americans should make bigger reparations to the indigenous tribes that they massacred and took land from ? How about the Australians ? How about the British and French in Africa ? In modern times, how about the British paying to rebuild Iraq and paying reparations to each and every family that lost a loved one in that conflict ? If Blair is a war criminal then Britain must accept responsibility, apologise and pay reparations shouldn't they ?

ooooooooooooooh Albert has absolutely destroyed the fanny

Originally Posted by my name is keith

away away away.

Was my first (apart from wrexham away in an earlier round) and probs my fave euro away.

Sunbed

wrexham was mine

Originally Posted by 20 times

Who were they playing when they unveiled it?

Astana

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

I get your point about the Germans paying, but they have already shelled out a lot for the "sins of their fathers" and they are certainly not shy in admitting blame, however do you think that the current Americans should make bigger reparations to the indigenous tribes that they massacred and took land from ? How about the Australians ? How about the British and French in Africa ? In modern times, how about the British paying to rebuild Iraq and paying reparations to each and every family that lost a loved one in that conflict ? If Blair is a war criminal then Britain must accept responsibility, apologise and pay reparations shouldn't they ?

All fair points but I doubt the people of Poland will give too many £#%&!s about the British empire and wars in Iraq when seeking reparations for their country still being on its arse since Nazi Germany. (I don't care enough to argue, just saying)

Legia were fined £60,000.

The Poles were certainly on their arse after WWII. Almost 40 years of communist rule didn't help them either, however since joining the EU, they've made quite some progress in a very short space of time. Yes, everyone is in the doldrums since the bankers ruined us in 2008 and yes there are an awful lot of them in the UK at the moment, but that's because of the British businesses employing them after Blair made it policy to import cheap labour from the east. I would argue that had the UK taken it's seven years FoM grace, applied the existing rules and not encouraged mass emigration from the former Warsaw pact, those ex communist countries might be doing even better. Anyway, they'll get all their people back soon and Germany can open up new car manufacturing plants over there, thus repaying their debt once again

I guess the greek teams are working on something too.

Originally Posted by no fun

They weren't all monsters

Originally Posted by ryanMUFC

Universal language.. wider audience. A lot of displays are.

A bit graphic an unnecessary imo but I suppose it's easier said when your people weren't on the end of this.

It's in regards to Poland possibly demanding reparations from Germany for the destruction and deaths caused. They may have a point no matter how far down the line it is.

it was unveiled the day after the 73rd anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising (their city) against the Nazis ..... a war crime which indeed has never been fully reparated for.

worth reading up on if youre at all interested.

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

I get your point about the Germans paying, but they have already shelled out a lot for the "sins of their fathers" and they are certainly not shy in admitting blame, however do you think that the current Americans should make bigger reparations to the indigenous tribes that they massacred and took land from ? How about the Australians ? How about the British and French in Africa ? In modern times, how about the British paying to rebuild Iraq and paying reparations to each and every family that lost a loved one in that conflict ? If Blair is a war criminal then Britain must accept responsibility, apologise and pay reparations shouldn't they ?

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

The Poles were certainly on their arse after WWII. Almost 40 years of communist rule didn't help them either, however since joining the EU, they've made quite some progress in a very short space of time. Yes, everyone is in the doldrums since the bankers ruined us in 2008 and yes there are an awful lot of them in the UK at the moment, but that's because of the British businesses employing them after Blair made it policy to import cheap labour from the east. I would argue that had the UK taken it's seven years FoM grace, applied the existing rules and not encouraged mass emigration from the former Warsaw pact, those ex communist countries might be doing even better. Anyway, they'll get all their people back soon and Germany can open up new car manufacturing plants over there, thus repaying their debt once again

the germans destroyed 85% of the city during the war and after the uprising, and have NEVER fully compensated for the crime. ......and that was partly down to the soviet bastards who were sat across the river watching it all unfold and didn't lift a finger and then after the war, told Poland they shouldn't take money off the east germans as a gesture of good will towards their newly created communist brothers.

germany, the @#%&!s who started it all with the help of American bankers (Prescott Bush amongst them) however was rebuilt by the west afterwards...and went on to dominate Europe again through the EU monster created.

so, 85% of the capital destroyed.....large swathes of the country too, territory reduced although that was also the russian bastards doing...and millions killed.......so yes the £#%&!ers still owe a shit load of money in reparation.

and not just to Poland.

as ive said before, Poland should milk the EU for as much as possible while its still up n running, especially as germany has been a major financial contributor ...and is about to become and even bigger one after brexit.

And yes...any country responsible for destroying another country should pay for the damage and compo on top......anything else is just fkn

Originally Posted by waynes ear's

ooooooooooooooh Albert has absolutely destroyed the fanny

hes destroyed nothing.....and as someone who claimed to have Polish ancestors ......youre a fkn disgrace ...tell it to them and im sure they'll "fill you in"

Didn't we essentially create the Nazis by reparating the shit out of Germany after WW1?

Is this what Den/Legia Warsaw's after? WW3?

surely the greater crime is that, since the fall of the nazis, during what is laughably called peacetime, protest groups, community groups, social justice movements, equality movements and anti-fascist anti-nazi groups throughout the world have been systematically and strategically discriminated against, demonised, oppressed, suppressed, brutalised, impoverished, and in many cases slaughtered in the march to impose capitalism, to impose the american version of democracy and to protect the vested interests of US business and banking sectors and all those who are loyal to it, voluntarily or otherwise.

Originally Posted by Cream

Didn't we essentially create the Nazis by reparating the shit out of Germany after WW1?

we weren't stern enough with the @#%&!s...allowing them to build up an huge army and allowing them to march unopposed into first Austria and then Czechoslovakia wasn't a good idea either.... soft @#%&!s approach.

its when they tried it on with Poland that finally someone told them to £#%&! off.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

surely the greater crime is that, since the fall of the nazis, during what is laughably called peacetime, protest groups, community groups, social justice movements, equality movements and anti-fascist anti-nazi groups throughout the world have been systematically and strategically discriminated against, demonised, oppressed, suppressed, brutalised, impoverished, and in many cases slaughtered in the march to impose capitalism, to impose the american version of democracy and to protect the vested interests of US business and banking sectors and all those who are loyal to it, voluntarily or otherwise.

no, not really....but if you can get all of that on a banner and afford the UEFA fine....then good luck to ya.

Originally Posted by denis lawless

we weren't stern enough with the @#%&!s...allowing them to build up an huge army and allowing them to march unopposed into first Austria and then Czechoslovakia wasn't a good idea either.... soft @#%&!s approach.

its when they tried it on with Poland that finally someone told them to £#%&! off.



no, not really....but if you can get all of that on a banner and afford the UEFA fine....then good luck to ya.

The treaty of Versailles caused huge resentment in Germany, especially amongst the working classes as it caused severe poverty and starvation. The rich elite Germans who caused the great war were relatively cushioned from this by their wealth. This resentment led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

After WWII, the allies realised that treating Germany badly again would lead eventually to WWIII so they rebuilt the economy instead... the same with Japan.

As Germany prospered after the war, the UK, due to the loss of it's empire slowly declined, until in the 1970s when to prevent it becoming a third world state, the French eventually allowed it to join the EU. Due to Germany's gracious philanthropy towards it's former belligerent, the UK recovered and because of its use of "slave labour" from the eastern block, it prospered to become the world's fifth largest economy. A position it has since lost due to the calamitous events of June 2016. Bite Denis you £#%&!er, bite

Why have they done it now? What's the significance?

Can't believe Legia Warsaw are from Warsaw.

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

The treaty of Versailles caused huge resentment in Germany, especially amongst the working classes as it caused severe poverty and starvation. The rich elite Germans who caused the great war were relatively cushioned from this by their wealth. This resentment led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

After WWII, the allies realised that treating Germany badly again would lead eventually to WWIII so they rebuilt the economy instead... the same with Japan.

As Germany prospered after the war, the UK, due to the loss of it's empire slowly declined, until in the 1970s when to prevent it becoming a third world state, the French eventually allowed it to join the EU. Due to Germany's gracious philanthropy towards it's former belligerent, the UK recovered and because of its use of "slave labour" from the eastern block, it prospered to become the world's fifth largest economy. A position it has since lost due to the calamitous events of June 2016. Bite Denis you £#%&!er, bite

fully aware of the stuff in the first two paragraphs although it is a bit £#%&!ed up that the countries that helped fight the aggressor are handed to a tyrannical bastard like stalin on a plate and left to fester for 40 years under a shit socialist/communist system ...a system half of this forum would be only to happy to introduce here, right now....and the bastards who started it all are rewarded with a new shiney country.

and without biting...paragraph 3 is just pure wibble.....was that when the alcohol kick in ? ...bit early in the day innit Albert

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

Why have they done it now? What's the significance?

coincided with the 73th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising the day before...huge commemorations and emotions running high.

Originally Posted by denis lawless

it was unveiled the day after the 73rd anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising (their city) against the Nazis ..... a war crime which indeed has never been fully reparated for.

worth reading up on if youre at all interested.





the germans destroyed 85% of the city during the war and after the uprising, and have NEVER fully compensated for the crime. ......and that was partly down to the soviet bastards who were sat across the river watching it all unfold and didn't lift a finger and then after the war, told Poland they shouldn't take money off the east germans as a gesture of good will towards their newly created communist brothers.

germany, the @#%&!s who started it all with the help of American bankers (Prescott Bush amongst them) however was rebuilt by the west afterwards...and went on to dominate Europe again through the EU monster created.

so, 85% of the capital destroyed.....large swathes of the country too, territory reduced although that was also the russian bastards doing...and millions killed.......so yes the £#%&!ers still owe a shit load of money in reparation.

and not just to Poland.

as ive said before, Poland should milk the EU for as much as possible while its still up n running, especially as germany has been a major financial contributor ...and is about to become and even bigger one after brexit.

And yes...any country responsible for destroying another country should pay for the damage and compo on top......anything else is just fkn



hes destroyed nothing.....and as someone who claimed to have Polish ancestors ......youre a fkn disgrace ...tell it to them and im sure they'll "fill you in"

Originally Posted by Albert Tatlock

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After WWII, the allies realised that treating Germany badly again would lead eventually to WWIII so they rebuilt the economy instead... the same with Japan.

Though if we're going to tie this in with the EU we should probably also note that the yanks demanded a strong Germany in the west, and a strong Japan in the east, to bolster the dollarisation of global capitalism under Bretton-Woods.

The French indeed wanted German industry destroyed again, and had to be placated with leadership of EU financial institutions.

Uncle Sam wins the war for the fatherland.

Varoufakis explains:

https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/...e-euro-crisis/