Donny Van De Beek

Yeah but he’s right apart from all that.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

At best this is a subjective opinion, but regardless; we came 3rd last season as well as winning the league cup. Most people could probably name at least 15 'worst coached' teams. Maybe starting with Chelsea, perhaps, who spent well over £600m and ended up ... 12th.

And got to the FA cup final where we were the better team but ultimately lost against a team that won the league with 115 charges hanging over them.

Originally Posted by Tory Dave

£#%&!ing give over . He achieved less than Frank De Boer in Holland; the man considered Britain’s worst ever manager. ETH had a pass last year, but we’re still the worst coached team in the league, and his transfer strategy revolves around turds from Holland or Bundesliga 2. At least the useless bastard has put to to bed the argument the manager doesn’t sign players.

Those magnificent Qataris will be booting him the minute he concedes 5+ at a rival, shouldn’t be too long.

As for picking out typos when posting from a phone on possibly the world’s least user friendly mobile site…? It’s a shame you didn’t permanently lock yourself in your 1-6 bunker.

Hi Marlo

Originally Posted by Patty_b

And got to the FA cup final where we were the better team but ultimately lost against a team that won the league with 115 charges hanging over them.

Better team is a stretch tbf.

Originally Posted by Stickman

Better team is a stretch tbf.

I know I was pissed but I don’t think I’ve ever been that pissed.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

And got to the FA cup final where we were the better team .

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

ETH had a 74% win rate, won 3 league titles in 3 seasons as well as 2 Dutch cups and the Dutch super cup. He also guided them to the CL semi finals. Total trophies: 6

De Boer had a 60.31% win rate, he did win 4 titles however this was over 5 seasons and was sacked when he lost the title to PSV. He also never progressed beyond the group stage of the CL. Total trophies: 4

Win percentages How did he fair in the par league?

4 titles > 3 titles. End of.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Paul Jewell is without doubt considered the worst PL manager of all time, having amassed 11 points across the entirety of a season with Derby.

De Boer managed 4 games, lost 4, scored 0. That is a 100% failure rate. So no, Jewell is not the worst manager in PL history.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

At best this is a subjective opinion, but regardless; we came 3rd last season as well as winning the league cup. Most people could probably name at least 15 'worst coached' teams. Maybe starting with Chelsea, perhaps, who spent well over £600m and ended up ... 12th.

You're right it is subjective, but read any post match analysis on here and pretty much every poster is lamenting why every squad seems to look fitter, faster and more cohesive. Nobody can really identify any formation we play, and the Football is pretty much the same as its been for years i.e., shit.

Fair enough if you see something different.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Players signed:

Martinez (Ajax)
Antony (Ajax)
Onana (Inter Milan)
Casemiro (Real Madrid)
Hojlund (Atalanta)
Mount (Chelsea)
Eriksen (Inter Milan)
Malacia (Feynoord)

Players signed from 'Holland or Bundesliga 2' : 3 out of 8 (37.5%)

Anything above 1% is bad enough, 3 out of 8 is embarrassing, and well played on conveniently dismissing that Onana is ex-Ajax, so is Eriksen, and even Mount was signed following his dazzling cameo at Vitesse...Oh and special mention to £#%&!ing Weghorst.

Most players we seem to be linked with are players he has previously worked with, it's very one dimensional and lacks imagination.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

We're owned by the glazers

No shit.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Hope this helps

Not at all pal, but good try. Execution lacking and clear details omitted.

I'll leave it here however. I've recently had a ban for a NSFW and off-topic post, so I don't want to de-rail the thread further (apologies Armchair).

Take this pasting and learn from it, think of what might have been.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

And got to the FA cup final where we were the better team but ultimately lost against a team that won the league with 115 charges hanging over them.

Originally Posted by Tory Dave

read any post match analysis on here and pretty much every poster is lamenting why every squad seems to look fitter, faster and more cohesive. Nobody can really identify any formation we play, and the Football is pretty much the same as its been for years i.e., shit.

that's a bit unfair. I think 10h has been experimenting with new ways to make it shit in the first few games with his pep lite inverted fullbacks and lightweight am overload. credit where it's due.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Ok.



ETH had a 74% win rate, won 3 league titles in 3 seasons as well as 2 Dutch cups and the Dutch super cup. He also guided them to the CL semi finals. Total trophies: 6

De Boer had a 60.31% win rate, he did win 4 titles however this was over 5 seasons and was sacked when he lost the title to PSV. He also never progressed beyond the group stage of the CL. Total trophies: 4



Paul Jewell is without doubt considered the worst PL manager of all time, having amassed 11 points across the entirety of a season with Derby.



At best this is a subjective opinion, but regardless; we came 3rd last season as well as winning the league cup. Most people could probably name at least 15 'worst coached' teams. Maybe starting with Chelsea, perhaps, who spent well over £600m and ended up ... 12th.



Players signed:

Martinez (Ajax)
Antony (Ajax)
Onana (Inter Milan)
Casemiro (Real Madrid)
Hojlund (Atalanta)
Mount (Chelsea)
Eriksen (Inter Milan)
Malacia (Feynoord)

Players signed from 'Holland or Bundesliga 2' : 3 out of 8 (37.5%)





We're owned by the glazers






Hope this all helps.

Thank you for doing the work so I didn't have to (i.e. couldn't be bothered)

Originally Posted by Tory Dave

Win percentages How did he fair in the par league?

4 titles > 3 titles. End of.



De Boer managed 4 games, lost 4, scored 0. That is a 100% failure rate. So no, Jewell is not the worst manager in PL history.



You're right it is subjective, but read any post match analysis on here and pretty much every poster is lamenting why every squad seems to look fitter, faster and more cohesive. Nobody can really identify any formation we play, and the Football is pretty much the same as its been for years i.e., shit.

Fair enough if you see something different.



Anything above 1% is bad enough, 3 out of 8 is embarrassing, and well played on conveniently dismissing that Onana is ex-Ajax, so is Eriksen, and even Mount was signed following his dazzling cameo at Vitesse...Oh and special mention to £#%&!ing Weghorst.

Most players we seem to be linked with are players he has previously worked with, it's very one dimensional and lacks imagination.



No shit.



Not at all pal, but good try. Execution lacking and clear details omitted.

I'll leave it here however. I've recently had a ban for a NSFW and off-topic post, so I don't want to de-rail the thread further (apologies Armchair).

Take this pasting and learn from it, think of what might have been.

Originally Posted by Tory Dave

Win percentages How did he fair in the par league?

4 titles > 3 titles. End of.

how can eth win more than 4 titles when he was there 3 seasons? He won the title every season he was there, and on top of that won 3 cups and got to the CL final. You said ETH achieved 'less' than de boer and this is untrue.



De Boer managed 4 games, lost 4, scored 0. That is a 100% failure rate. So no, Jewell is not the worst manager in PL history.

Loss percentages how did he fair in the par league?

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/...league-history

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/wor...5a9d877d7f122d

https://sportsbrief.com/football/123...in-percentage/

https://sports-view.co.uk/2023/05/th...league-history

You're right it is subjective, but read any post match analysis on here and pretty much every poster is lamenting why every squad seems to look fitter, faster and more cohesive. Nobody can really identify any formation we play, and the Football is pretty much the same as its been for years i.e., shit.

Fair enough if you see something different.

You said we're the "worst coached side in the league". Clearly that's absolute £#%&!ing %@#$&!s.


Anything above 1% is bad enough, 3 out of 8 is embarrassing, and well played on conveniently dismissing that Onana is ex-Ajax, so is Eriksen, and even Mount was signed following his dazzling cameo at Vitesse...Oh and special mention to £#%&!ing Weghorst.

Most players we seem to be linked with are players he has previously worked with, it's very one dimensional and lacks imagination.

Your claim was that he has only signed "turds from Holland or Bundesliga 2". You're wrong.

hth.

Originally Posted by Tory Dave

Try and prove my posts wrong…

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

Ok.



ETH had a 74% win rate, won 3 league titles in 3 seasons as well as 2 Dutch cups and the Dutch super cup. He also guided them to the CL semi finals. Total trophies: 6

De Boer had a 60.31% win rate, he did win 4 titles however this was over 5 seasons and was sacked when he lost the title to PSV. He also never progressed beyond the group stage of the CL. Total trophies: 4



Paul Jewell is without doubt considered the worst PL manager of all time, having amassed 11 points across the entirety of a season with Derby.



At best this is a subjective opinion, but regardless; we came 3rd last season as well as winning the league cup. Most people could probably name at least 15 'worst coached' teams. Maybe starting with Chelsea, perhaps, who spent well over £600m and ended up ... 12th.



Players signed:

Martinez (Ajax)
Antony (Ajax)
Onana (Inter Milan)
Casemiro (Real Madrid)
Hojlund (Atalanta)
Mount (Chelsea)
Eriksen (Inter Milan)
Malacia (Feynoord)

Players signed from 'Holland or Bundesliga 2' : 3 out of 8 (37.5%)





We're owned by the glazers






Hope this all helps.

Originally Posted by Whip Hubley

hth.

You can be as hell bent as you want on this Paul Jewell thing, but he managed Wigan to promotion and kept them up, quite an achievement, as well as reaching an English domestic cup final. De Boer lost literally every game he managed in England without scoring a goal. It can't and hasn't got any worse than that.

My second point regards to transfers stands, HTH.

Originally Posted by Gypsum Fantastic

Originally Posted by Tory Dave

De Boer managed 4 games, lost 4, scored 0. That is a 100% failure rate. So no, Jewell is not the worst manager in PL history.

Using that same logic, ETH is the most successful manager in United's history - 73% win rate, compared to Fergie in second with 65%.

Obviously nonsense, but then so was the logic you used.

Neither Paul Jewell nor De Boer are the worst managers in the Premier League. Jewell inherited a team in late November who hadn't won a game all season, they were as good as down already. De Boer managed for 5 games, extrapolating from such a small sample size is best left for the gimps on Twitter. While we are off-topic, Mick McCarthy has a good shout as the worst manager, twice got a team promoted and twice broke the record for lowest point totals.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Using that same logic, ETH is the most successful manager in United's history - 73% win rate, compared to Fergie in second with 65%.

Obviously nonsense, but then so was the logic you used.

Ok chief, let's agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

Neither Paul Jewell nor De Boer are the worst managers in the Premier League. Jewell inherited a team in late November who hadn't won a game all season, they were as good as down already. De Boer managed for 5 games, extrapolating from such a small sample size is best left for the gimps on Twitter. While we are off-topic, Mick McCarthy has a good shout as the worst manager, twice got a team promoted and twice broke the record for lowest point totals.

Be nice for him to leave today tbh.

Luton linked now...

Had a fair few opportunities to go, loan or permanent, faffed and turne them all down so far, strange tactic from someone who hasn’t played regularly in near 3 years.