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Unread 28-12-2017, 11:15 AM
Part 36 Offer
 
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City won the league in November and if they pump more oil money into the squad and do the same next year thus turning the PL in to an over priced version of Scotland,France or German leagues then the FA,sky and BT will have to be concerned that it will kill what sets it apart and makes it a global brand.
TV money will reduce as customers won't subscribe at the current prices(pubs more so)and on top of that overseas players will not come here if they can earn more or less the same on the continent.

I think even city fans would not like a one horse race that is over by Christmas year on year.(saying that it would be funny that while they are lifting the trophy no @#%&! is watching)
Incorrect mate.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 11:17 AM
Red Al
 
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Incorrect mate.
First couple of years maybe but they will at some point
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 11:24 AM
andyroo
 
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First couple of years maybe but they will at some point
Nah they'd just moan that nobody likes them because the "rag" media tells them not to.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 11:52 AM
Red Al
 
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Nah they'd just moan that nobody likes them because the "rag" media tells them not to.
Unlike united, city's golden era has just been purchased and any person who has a city fan gloating in their face will remind them of this.
When I point this out to some berties at work all I get back is what we spent on Ferdinand,veron etc.

They just don't get it
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 11:59 AM
irk
 
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To be fair the Newcastle side screams championship so to keep it tight wasn't a bad night. One chance, one 40 yarder and people would hail the tactics.

There are much better teams than Newcastle who have allowed City to roll them over. I fancy Palace at Selhurst will give their defence some work to do although it'll probably be 5-2 to City.
By people you mean easily satisfied @#%&!s who prefer stats to actually watching football?

It used to be entertaining. So many things are wrong with the game. Most of them linked directly to money. It cant come as a surprise either. Back when premier league was first mooted it was pointed out that this would inevitably lead to a concentration of wealth at the biggest clubs that would reduce competition. The same with the champions league format which is just a way to guarantee incme to the elite clubs by elimating the upsets inherent in knockout formats. Add in the sugar daddy money and general corruption in the governing bodies and this is what we get. A pair of competitions that are merely parades of wealth where the winners are drawn from the same narrow pool year after year with a very strong correlation between money spent and placement.

The minor trophies are rendered meaningless by the money involved in the two main ones. The FA Cup, which i would skinned my grandmother to win in the 80s is an irrelevance now.

Well done to all concerned. They have managed to destroy the romance that made the game what it was. Its a corporate borefest these days.

PSG, City, Chelsea ffs.

One wouldnt mind if the success was based on some intangible formula - a well run organisation, a maverick manager, some wise signings, a well moulded team spirit. Team building. A competitive edge between well matched clubs. You could argue that city et al have all these things but its built on the back of unlimited finances. We were as guilty as anyone of spending big, but the playing field was more level then (In fact, we were even regarded as tight in wage terms for many years).

If we attracted a high spending benefactor we’d be back in the european mix within two seasons. And it would still be shite.

There needs to be more level competition. Even the yanks, those free market fundamentalists, have spending and salary caps in their sports to keep them honest.

There is absolutely no chance of a team emerging based on footballing nowse and prowess in any of the european leagues. No Deportivo will come through and upset the apple cart. No newly promoted team can mount a challenge to the top teams. There will never be another Brian Clough’s Derby or Forest. A small well run club holding their own. They dont even want to. They wont even try to win a trophy if it means they sacrifice the chance to finish twelfth.

The financial power of the big clubs sucks all the talent away from the ones that missed the boat. Within and across leagues. No chance Ajax or Red Star could keep any budding talent.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 12:04 PM
Red Al
 
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By people you mean easily satisfied @#%&!s who prefer stats to actually watching football?

It used to be entertaining. So many things are wrong with the game. Most of them linked directly to money. It cant come as a surprise either. Back when premier league was first mooted it was pointed out that this would inevitably lead to a concentration of wealth at the biggest clubs that would reduce competition. The same with the champions league format which is just a way to guarantee incme to the elite clubs by elimating the upsets inherent in knockout formats. Add in the sugar daddy money and general corruption in the governing bodies and this is what we get. A pair of competitions that are merely parades of wealth where the winners are drawn from the same narrow pool year after year with a very strong correlation between money spent and placement.

The minor trophies are rendered meaningless by the money involved in the two main ones. The FA Cup, which i would skinned my grandmother to win in the 80s is an irrelevance now.

Well done to all concerned. They have managed to destroy the romance that made the game what it was. Its a corporate borefest these days.

PSG, City, Chelsea ffs.

One wouldnt mind if the success was based on some intangible formula - a well run organisation, a maverick manager, some wise signings, a well moulded team spirit. Team building. A competitive edge between well matched clubs. You could argue that city et al have all these things but its built on the back of unlimited finances. We were as guilty as anyone of spending big, but the playing field was more level then (In fact, we were even regarded as tight in wage terms for many years).

If we attracted a high spending benefactor we’d be back in the european mix within two seasons. And it would still be shite.

There needs to be more level competition. Even the yanks, those free market fundamentalists, have spending and salary caps in their sports to keep them honest.

There is absolutely no chance of a team emerging based on footballing nowse and prowess in any of the european leagues. No Deportivo will come through and upset the apple cart. No newly promoted team can mount a challenge to the top teams. There will never be another Brian Clough’s Derby or Forest. A small well run club holding their own. They dont even want to. They wont even try to win a trophy if it means they sacrifice the chance to finish twelfth.

The financial power of the big clubs sucks all the talent away from the ones that missed the boat. Within and across leagues. No chance Ajax or Red Star could keep any budding talent.

Postage
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 12:10 PM
Red Al
 
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08-11

Sold Ronnie for 80 million

State of Utd under the gimps
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 12:14 PM
irk
 
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08-11

Sold Ronnie for 80 million

State of Utd under the gimps
We’re reaping the rewards of that period to this day. That’s when we fell behind. Spending £#%&! all, allowing the squad to age, and the competition becoming as rich as Croesus and spending like Michael Carroll.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 12:20 PM
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https://twitter.com/SimplyUtd/status...022784/photo/1

The gimps have got away with murder.. they must laughing themselves silly at all the fans lining their pockets.. Bastards
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 01:54 PM
Buck
 
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By people you mean easily satisfied c***s who prefer stats to actually watching football?

It used to be entertaining. So many things are wrong with the game. Most of them linked directly to money. It cant come as a surprise either. Back when premier league was first mooted it was pointed out that this would inevitably lead to a concentration of wealth at the biggest clubs that would reduce competition. The same with the champions league format which is just a way to guarantee incme to the elite clubs by elimating the upsets inherent in knockout formats. Add in the sugar daddy money and general corruption in the governing bodies and this is what we get. A pair of competitions that are merely parades of wealth where the winners are drawn from the same narrow pool year after year with a very strong correlation between money spent and placement.

The minor trophies are rendered meaningless by the money involved in the two main ones. The FA Cup, which i would skinned my grandmother to win in the 80s is an irrelevance now.

Well done to all concerned. They have managed to destroy the romance that made the game what it was. Its a corporate borefest these days.

PSG, City, Chelsea ffs.

One wouldnt mind if the success was based on some intangible formula - a well run organisation, a maverick manager, some wise signings, a well moulded team spirit. Team building. A competitive edge between well matched clubs. You could argue that city et al have all these things but its built on the back of unlimited finances. We were as guilty as anyone of spending big, but the playing field was more level then (In fact, we were even regarded as tight in wage terms for many years).

If we attracted a high spending benefactor we’d be back in the european mix within two seasons. And it would still be shite.

There needs to be more level competition. Even the yanks, those free market fundamentalists, have spending and salary caps in their sports to keep them honest.

There is absolutely no chance of a team emerging based on footballing nowse and prowess in any of the european leagues. No Deportivo will come through and upset the apple cart. No newly promoted team can mount a challenge to the top teams. There will never be another Brian Clough’s Derby or Forest. A small well run club holding their own. They dont even want to. They wont even try to win a trophy if it means they sacrifice the chance to finish twelfth.

The financial power of the big clubs sucks all the talent away from the ones that missed the boat. Within and across leagues. No chance Ajax or Red Star could keep any budding talent.
I don't disagree with you but it's just the way things are.

But there certainly is a hypocrisy about this. Not you but the wider state of the game. Tottenham have done a very fine job of going from a bottom mid table club to a Champions League side, competing and finishing above teams with far higher budgets and wage bills. Yet their players and manager are constantly told, reminded, advised to move away if they want to achieve something. Little old Tottenham will regress to a mean once Kane, Alli et al decide to chase the glory rather than stick around and build glory there. Makes me laugh when their wage structure gets criticised as if securing players on long deals and sensible wages is a bad thing.

Southampton have churned out many talented players through their academy and smart recruitment but there was a limit to how far they could go. For a while they were the best of the rest, at times running the top four close, but they couldn't hold onto their best players.

The clubs who do things the right way ultimately get bullied by the status quo. You can have your fun for a little while but there comes a point when enough is enough.

Virgil van Dijk for 75m. If he's that talented why didn't Liverpool, or any top four outfit take him on from Celtic. The wider point is they're happy to let other clubs do the development and polishing and when it's all done they'll get the chequebook out.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:03 PM
marlo
 
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let's not be bitter old women concerning the state of the premiership:

we haven't been under funded or anything like that. we are simplying not very good in the transfer market...

when city were buying players like de Bruyne, we were buyijg di maria...depay.... etc

players like mane, salah have all moved clubs at affordable prices as well...

Our squad is our own doing.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:12 PM
jem
 
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let's not be bitter old women concerning the state of the premiership:

we haven't been under funded or anything like that. we are simplying not very good in the transfer market...

when city were buying players like de Bruyne, we were buyijg di maria...depay.... etc

players like mane, salah have all moved clubs at affordable prices as well...

Our squad is our own doing.
true dat. but it is also true that we could have spent a lot more a few years ago and we were "restrained".
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:21 PM
Sapien
 
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By people you mean easily satisfied @#%&!s who prefer stats to actually watching football?

It used to be entertaining. So many things are wrong with the game. Most of them linked directly to money. It cant come as a surprise either. Back when premier league was first mooted it was pointed out that this would inevitably lead to a concentration of wealth at the biggest clubs that would reduce competition. The same with the champions league format which is just a way to guarantee incme to the elite clubs by elimating the upsets inherent in knockout formats. Add in the sugar daddy money and general corruption in the governing bodies and this is what we get. A pair of competitions that are merely parades of wealth where the winners are drawn from the same narrow pool year after year with a very strong correlation between money spent and placement.

The minor trophies are rendered meaningless by the money involved in the two main ones. The FA Cup, which i would skinned my grandmother to win in the 80s is an irrelevance now.

Well done to all concerned. They have managed to destroy the romance that made the game what it was. Its a corporate borefest these days.

PSG, City, Chelsea ffs.

One wouldnt mind if the success was based on some intangible formula - a well run organisation, a maverick manager, some wise signings, a well moulded team spirit. Team building. A competitive edge between well matched clubs. You could argue that city et al have all these things but its built on the back of unlimited finances. We were as guilty as anyone of spending big, but the playing field was more level then (In fact, we were even regarded as tight in wage terms for many years).

If we attracted a high spending benefactor we’d be back in the european mix within two seasons. And it would still be shite.

There needs to be more level competition. Even the yanks, those free market fundamentalists, have spending and salary caps in their sports to keep them honest.

There is absolutely no chance of a team emerging based on footballing nowse and prowess in any of the european leagues. No Deportivo will come through and upset the apple cart. No newly promoted team can mount a challenge to the top teams. There will never be another Brian Clough’s Derby or Forest. A small well run club holding their own. They dont even want to. They wont even try to win a trophy if it means they sacrifice the chance to finish twelfth.

The financial power of the big clubs sucks all the talent away from the ones that missed the boat. Within and across leagues. No chance Ajax or Red Star could keep any budding talent.
Could have sworn Leicester won the league a couple of years ago.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:27 PM
Clownbones
 
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let's not be bitter old women concerning the state of the premiership:

we haven't been under funded or anything like that. we are simplying not very good in the transfer market...

when city were buying players like de Bruyne, we were buyijg di maria...depay.... etc

players like mane, salah have all moved clubs at affordable prices as well...

Our squad is our own doing.
Spot on.

Who have we actually missed out on? Perisic? That It?

We signed some good players some shit but most have been completely different because we've had three entirely different managers since Fergie. If we actually had a plan for what we want to be as a team we'd have a squad that reflects it.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:41 PM
Ranier Wolfcastle
 
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This is embarrassing and unforgivable. For United.

Fergie and the Glazers post 2007

Fergie should lecture about it at Harvard Business School: how to destroy the best team in the world

a) sell world class players
b) replace them with bench level players
c) hire an absolute fraud to replace you and make things up as you go along strategy wise from there
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:51 PM
jem
 
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This is embarrassing and unforgivable. For United.

Fergie and the Glazers post 2007

Fergie should lecture about it at Harvard Business School: how to destroy the best team in the world

a) sell world class players
b) replace them with bench level players
c) hire an absolute fraud to replace you and make things up as you go along strategy wise from there
yes. it's like when your facilitator makes you brainstorm a list of all the things you would do to sabotage yourself before you turn it all on its head to form your real strategy. but we never got past the first flip chart.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 02:56 PM
Sparky***
 
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let's not be bitter old women concerning the state of the premiership:

we haven't been under funded or anything like that. we are simplying not very good in the transfer market...

when city were buying players like de Bruyne, we were buyijg di maria...depay.... etc

players like mane, salah have all moved clubs at affordable prices as well...

Our squad is our own doing.
No, i think that's exactly what i'll be thanks.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 03:03 PM
Clarkie
 
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No, i think that's exactly what i'll be thanks.

It was a must win game last night for City in fairness....
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 03:04 PM
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from the years of 2008-9 to 2012-13 is where the damage was truly done.

Even without comparing the spending to City, how on earth Fergie expected us to remain relevant challengers domestically and in Europe whilst investing so little in top class players is just incredible.

You can't under invest like that for 6 years and expect not to eventually get left behind.

That's where we are now, we're going to have to spend twice as much as them to get to where they are.
 
Unread 28-12-2017, 03:18 PM
Ranier Wolfcastle
 
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from the years of 2008-9 to 2012-13 is where the damage was truly done.

Even without comparing the spending to City, how on earth Fergie expected us to remain relevant challengers domestically and in Europe whilst investing so little in top class players is just incredible.

You can't under invest like that for 6 years and expect not to eventually get left behind.

That's where we are now, we're going to have to spend twice as much as them to get to where they are.
The trouble is, what are they going to do if we catch up? Just spend more, whilst having the ability to jettison any failures swiftly. We hang on to ours for 5 years.
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