BIG Luke Shaw

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

First line of my post

Just providing some links to back it up, pal.

He has a shit attitude towards it all and always has, not sure how it's in any doubt tbh.

Originally Posted by dragflick

Just providing some links to back it up, pal.

He has a shit attitude towards it all and always has, not sure how it's in any doubt tbh.

Nah that’s ott. Loads of players don’t love training and need to be managed skilfully.

Aguero is a known poor trainer. With him I think you just leave him alone and wait for Saturday, hoping nobody follows his lead. Most say Shaw needs babying. Either way it’s about getting the reaction, which is why a manager is there.

LvG would not tolerate someone with a shit attitude. Neither would Poch. Discipline is another thing.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Nah that’s ott. Loads of players don’t love training and need to be managed skilfully.

Aguero is a known poor trainer. With him I think you just leave him alone and wait for Saturday, hoping nobody follows his lead. Most say Shaw needs babying. Either way it’s about getting the reaction, which is why a manager is there.

LvG would not tolerate someone with a shit attitude. Neither would Poch. Discipline is another thing.

do you think its acceptable for 3 managers in a row to have to try and get the best out of a professional in terms of fitness and attitude?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Every manager he’s had got a reaction out of him. Except one.

That's why he's got 7 England caps

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Nah that’s ott. Loads of players don’t love training and need to be managed skilfully.

Aguero is a known poor trainer. With him I think you just leave him alone and wait for Saturday, hoping nobody follows his lead. Most say Shaw needs babying. Either way it’s about getting the reaction, which is why a manager is there.

LvG would not tolerate someone with a shit attitude. Neither would Poch. Discipline is another thing.

Attitude/discipline- there's a fine line. He's a soft bastard who's needed these constant reminders to keep fit/sort his head out from every manager he's had. Penny still hasn't dropped tho', sadly.

Originally Posted by silv

do you think its acceptable for 3 managers in a row to have to try and get the best out of a professional in terms of fitness and attitude?

That is their job. Some players are just different. LvG said Shaw reacted brilliantly. It’s about management and meeting the player halfway. He and Poch managed that; Mourinho has decided the best way to manage him is to criticise him at every chance.

He’s obviously not got the reaction he wanted. So just move the player on.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

That is their job. Some players are just different. LvG said Shaw reacted brilliantly. It’s about management and meeting the player halfway. He and Poch managed that; Mourinho has decided the best way to manage him is to criticise him at every chance.

He’s obviously not got the reaction he wanted. So just move the player on.

£#%&! me. Not like you to praise LvG and have a go at Mourinho, pal?

If you don't think the blame for this lies solely with Luke Shaw, then you're wrong.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Every manager he’s had got a reaction out of him. Except one.

Jason Dodd at Southampton made the point that Pochettino puts his players through intense training. He also requires players to give their absolute best. And he loved Shaw. So did LvG. And Mourinho has kept him here for two years.

Suggests it’s not as simple as him being a fat arse who can’t be bothered to train properly.

So 3 different club managers and an international manager have had to publicly call him out as a lazy fat @#%&! and it's something other than him being a lazy fat @#%&!?



And Pochettino requires his players to give their absolute best according to Doddy eh? Groundbreaking stuff.

Originally Posted by dragflick

£#%&! me. Not like you to praise LvG and have a go at Mourinho, pal?

If you don't think the blame for this lies solely with Luke Shaw, then you're wrong.

not like you to defend the party line pal.

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

not like you to defend the party line pal.

Good 'en pal.

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

not like you to defend the party line pal.

The lad is a born n bred unicorn pal. Can’t get mad at it but don’t expect him to change.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

So 3 different club managers and an international manager have had to publicly call him out as a lazy fat @#%&! and it's something other than him being a lazy fat @#%&!?



And Pochettino requires his players to give their absolute best according to Doddy eh? Groundbreaking stuff.

Again, the previous managers managed him. A player who needs extra attention or a different approach and proved successful when it was given. I’d have less suspicion about Mou’s approach with Shaw if it didn’t come across as almost perversely ineffective from moment one.

People seem to be complaining that a manager has to manage players.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Nah that’s ott. Loads of players don’t love training and need to be managed skilfully.

Aguero is a known poor trainer. With him I think you just leave him alone and wait for Saturday, hoping nobody follows his lead. Most say Shaw needs babying. Either way it’s about getting the reaction, which is why a manager is there.

LvG would not tolerate someone with a shit attitude. Neither would Poch. Discipline is another thing.

Draggers is fine with it if they speak Spanish

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Or just do what those previous managers did and manage the player and get great performances out of him.

He's had about 5 good games for us in 4 years

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Or just do what those previous managers did and manage the player and get great performances out of him.

Of course Mou is the manager who declared De Bruyne too poor a trainer to warrant faith

Which great performances did LVG get out of Shaw?

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Or just do what those previous managers did and manage the player and get great performances out of him.

Of course Mou is the manager who declared De Bruyne too poor a trainer to warrant faith

He has started 39 games in 4 seasons...

Originally Posted by Part 36 Offer

Draggers is fine with it if they speak Spanish

eres mejor que eso...

Originally Posted by forwardirektion

He's had about 5 good games for us in 4 years

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Which great performances did LVG get out of Shaw?

Originally Posted by ziggyman17

He has started 39 games in 4 seasons...

Lads, it's Siders...

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Which great performances did LVG get out of Shaw?

None at all pal. None of us were excited about him before the leg break. There’s nothing Mourinho could possibly have done with such an average talent.

Same with Rashford, who isn’t actually as good as we thought.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

None at all pal. None of us were excited about him before the leg break. There’s nothing Mourinho could possibly have done with such an average talent.

Same with Rashford, who isn’t actually as good as we thought.

110 career games. 0 goals. 3 assists. Poch and LVG must have got some incredible performances out if him.

He got 15 starts under LVG in 14/15.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

110 career games. 0 goals. 3 assists. Poch and LVG must have got some incredible performances out if him.

Yeah pal. He became a £30m signing for United and seen as a potential world class player based on being a fat lad and not playing well.

So he’s had on average 8 starts a season and has been picking up a 100 grand a week for the hard graft, 25 million in wages he had been paid, the least he can do is act like a professional footballer..