Football today 17 September

Originally Posted by Sparky***

none of our players full stop have.

Still

West Brom 3 -0 West Ham

Originally Posted by dunk

I thought we did?

Originally Posted by dunk

I thought we did?

Didn't you see last season at Chelsea? ....

De Bruyne is some player, but most of what he does is just simple stuff that any player could do with the right application. Always in space, never passes up a run, makes good decisions. Of course he needs to have the technique to pull off a tricky action when it's called for, but 90% of a good performance is done by just doing the simple things well.

Too many of our players let the game dictate to them rather than forcing the play. Don't just stand there waiting for the ball, make the runs ffs.

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

Are you watching it? Why do it to yourself mate?

Got about 3 games open in different windows mate.

Originally Posted by dunk

I thought we did?

Guardiola and Jose are the two best along with Ancelotti. Only a cretin would suggest otherwise.

Unfortunately Guardiola has come along with his aura of invincibility still firmly intact and hasn't had to organise and motivate a group of players so obviously bereft of belief and confidence, bogged down with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of spineless shit that the last manager bought.

Originally Posted by dunk

I thought we did?

We sacked him after the cup final.

Originally Posted by utd99

De Bruyne is some player, but most of what he does is just simple stuff that any player could do with the right application. Always in space, never passes up a run, makes good decisions. Of course he needs to have the technique to pull off a tricky action when it's called for, but 90% of a good performance is done by just doing the simple things well.

Too many of our players let the game dictate to them rather than forcing the play. Don't just stand there waiting for the ball, make the runs ffs.

We've spent the same amount on Memphis, Schneiderlin, Fellaini and Rojo as City spent on De Bruyne and Aguero.

And people wonder why our current manager has a job on. I've not seen anyone have to sift through so much shit since after the lord mayor's show.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Got about 3 games open in different windows mate.



Guardiola and Jose are the two best along with Ancelotti. Only a cretin would suggest otherwise.

Unfortunately Guardiola has come along with his aura of invincibility still firmly intact and hasn't had to organise and motivate a group of players so obviously bereft of belief and confidence, bogged down with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of spineless shit that the last manager bought.

The aura is important. He has this God-like presence emanating from the constant media £#%&!athon. Every article and player interview, these are questions about learning from Pep. What has Pep taught you, how he's changing the game etc etc.

He hasn't really needed to do much yet. And that's not a criticism. Meanwhile, jose's reputation isn't as intact (and rightly so after last season) and the media can't wait to compare any potential issues with issues from Chelsea last season.

Knee jerk brigade already changing their tune re: Mourinho and the squad it seems? Bloody hell couple of losses and you really do see people's true colours on here

To think there was some posters on here (me included) who were ridiculed for suggesting "maybe" LvG wasn't entirely to blame for our demise

Now the very same people that said Mourinho would improve cetrain players are bemoaning the lack of quality m/character in the squad; the hypocrisy is frightening

Let's all settle down regardless, still a long way to go and some tough decisions to be made by the manager, but don't write us off just yet

Originally Posted by Sparky***

We've spent the same amount on Memphis, Schneiderlin, Fellaini and Rojo as City spent on De Bruyne and Aguero.

And people wonder why our current manager has a job on. I've not seen anyone have to sift through so much shit since after the lord mayor's show.

You missed van Gaal's 2 years then

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

The aura is important. He has this God-like presence emanating from the constant media £#%&!athon. Every article and player interview, these are questions about learning from Pep. What has Pep taught you, how he's changing the game etc etc.

He hasn't really needed to do much yet. And that's not a criticism. Meanwhile, jose's reputation isn't as intact (and rightly so after last season) and the media can't wait to compare any potential issues with issues from Chelsea last season.

Well we sure as shit made it easy for him. Pumped his £#%&!ing tyres all right with that abject cringing mediocrity of our opening half hour in the derby.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Got about 3 games open in different windows mate.



Guardiola and Jose are the two best along with Ancelotti. Only a cretin would suggest otherwise.

Unfortunately Guardiola has come along with his aura of invincibility still firmly intact and hasn't had to organise and motivate a group of players so obviously bereft of belief and confidence, bogged down with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of spineless shit that the last manager bought.

They finished on the same points as us last season.

I really think the main difference - aside from Guardiola being a great coach - is that Mourinho will build around the players he has. Guardiola comes in with a shitstorm of information and overloads the players with instructions, but they all know exactly what he wants. To an extent I think Mourinho is probably still deciding exactly what type of team United are going to be.

Still very early. Few teams will start a season as impressively as we did in 2011, culminating in beating Arsenal 8-2 ffs. Couple of months later we got tortured by city at OT and ended the season potless.

Originally Posted by Tronics

Knee jerk brigade already changing their tune re: Mourinho and the squad it seems? Bloody hell couple of losses and you really do see people's true colours on here

To think there was some posters on here (me included) who were ridiculed for suggesting "maybe" LvG wasn't entirely to blame for our demise

Now the very same people that said Mourinho would improve cetrain players are bemoaning the lack of quality m/character in the squad; the hypocrisy is frightening

Let's all settle down regardless, still a long way to go and some tough decisions to be made by the manager, but don't write us off just yet

It's only really the extreme ends of the scale that are being shown up. Anyone thinking José would come in and sort it all with a click of his fingers was mad.....same for anyone who thought that lvg was getting as good as he could get out of the squad he had.

We've already seen the likes of Valencia and Fellaini improve. There's more entertainment, but the issues that sensible folk knew would surface have done.....and he's made mistakes of his own too.

pace , plus a smart footballer in the #10 equals goals in the prem. we have rooney and mata. mata of course being played wide. and rooney through the middle.

OK who are the stupid @#%&!s who said Guardiola would struggle in the PL

They are going to win the league and a shitload of other pots while he is here, lets hope he £#%&!s off in 2019.

Originally Posted by dunk

You missed van Gaal's 2 years then

The nerve of Sparky, the nerve!

Remember how much of a woman he was at the end of last season? He was literally gagging for Mourinho to get his hands on the squad and transfer us into world beaters over night, because he shouts from the sidelines with passion

Sparky the type of guy to turn his back on you at the first sign of trouble

Originally Posted by Tronics

Knee jerk brigade already changing their tune re: Mourinho and the squad it seems? Bloody hell couple of losses and you really do see people's true colours on here

To think there was some posters on here (me included) who were ridiculed for suggesting "maybe" LvG wasn't entirely to blame for our demise

Now the very same people that said Mourinho would improve cetrain players are bemoaning the lack of quality m/character in the squad; the hypocrisy is frightening

Let's all settle down regardless, still a long way to go and some tough decisions to be made by the manager, but don't write us off just yet

Was nailed on to happen. Saying the main problem was lack of leadership and that many of the players were not mentally up to it was flagged as an excuse for tactics. Reality is those players won't take us where we need to go. The additions of Pogba and Zlatan are massive because they give us some swagger, but we need people in the back end of the field who talk a bit.

Originally Posted by innit

OK who are the stupid c***s who said Guardiola would struggle in the PL

They are going to win the league and a shitload of other pots while he is here, lets hope he £#%&!s off in 2019.

He hasn't struggled five games in. It doesn't mean he won't.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

We've spent the same amount on Memphis, Schneiderlin, Fellaini and Rojo as City spent on De Bruyne and Aguero.

And people wonder why our current manager has a job on. I've not seen anyone have to sift through so much shit since after the lord mayor's show.

Sterling almost £#%&!ed up that open goal.

Case in point, DB once again in oceans of space, two runners ahead, simple pass. Simple stuff done well. Not just standing there waiting for your team mates to do the work.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Was nailed on to happen. Saying the main problem was lack of leadership and that many of the players were not mentally up to it was flagged as an excuse for tactics. Reality is those players won't take us where we need to go. The additions of Pogba and Zlatan are massive because they give us some swagger, but we need people in the back end of the field who talk a bit.

Saw plenty of swagger last weekend, unfortunately it was those £#%&!ing @#%&!s in the blue doing it.