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Originally Posted by Tiberian

Look at the entirety of their careers. Before Utd Cantona had accomplished very little despite his fantastic talent, a lack of discipline held him back and he was moved around clubs. He also retired early, before he even ran up 400 club games. His international career was underwhelming as well. He was outstanding for Utd but his detractors will look at his performances in Europe and hold that against him. That is harsh as the team during this time were not ready to perform in Europe, naive defensively and weak depth in the squad.

Bergkamp was outstanding at Ajax, at a time when the Dutch league was still a strong force in European football, he failed in Italy which is a mark against him but the move to Arsenal was a good one for both parties. He had a similar impact to Cantona on a smaller scale and was a key part of of the best Arsenal teams in their history. He also showed excellent longevity to maintain his standards in his mid 30's. The standard of the PL was also improving year after year from the mid 90's.

Their international performances come down heavily in Bergkamp's favour, the goal ratios may be similar but Bergkamp performed in international tournaments and was the Dutch top scorer when he retired.

Cantona was brilliant for Utd but weigh up everything over their careers and it is hard for me to put Cantona above Bergkamp.

So in other words, Bergkamp's failures can be quickly skated over but Cantona's blown up and highlighted.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Look at the entirety of their careers. Before Utd Cantona had accomplished very little despite his fantastic talent, a lack of discipline held him back and he was moved around clubs. He also retired early, before he even ran up 400 club games. His international career was underwhelming as well. He was outstanding for Utd but his detractors will look at his performances in Europe and hold that against him. That is harsh as the team during this time were not ready to perform in Europe, naive defensively and weak depth in the squad.

Bergkamp was outstanding at Ajax, at a time when the Dutch league was still a strong force in European football, he failed in Italy which is a mark against him but the move to Arsenal was a good one for both parties. He had a similar impact to Cantona on a smaller scale and was a key part of of the best Arsenal teams in their history. He also showed excellent longevity to maintain his standards in his mid 30's. The standard of the PL was also improving year after year from the mid 90's.

Their international performances come down heavily in Bergkamp's favour, the goal ratios may be similar but Bergkamp performed in international tournaments and was the Dutch top scorer when he retired.

Cantona was brilliant for Utd but weigh up everything over their careers and it is hard for me to put Cantona above Bergkamp.

Perfectly reasonable and well balanced.

Get £#%&!ed.

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

Perfectly reasonable and well balanced.

Get £#%&!ed.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Look at the entirety of their careers. Before Utd Cantona had accomplished very little despite his fantastic talent, a lack of discipline held him back and he was moved around clubs. He also retired early, before he even ran up 400 club games. His international career was underwhelming as well. He was outstanding for Utd but his detractors will look at his performances in Europe and hold that against him. That is harsh as the team during this time were not ready to perform in Europe, naive defensively and weak depth in the squad.

Bergkamp was outstanding at Ajax, at a time when the Dutch league was still a strong force in European football, he failed in Italy which is a mark against him but the move to Arsenal was a good one for both parties. He had a similar impact to Cantona on a smaller scale and was a key part of of the best Arsenal teams in their history. He also showed excellent longevity to maintain his standards in his mid 30's. The standard of the PL was also improving year after year from the mid 90's.

Their international performances come down heavily in Bergkamp's favour, the goal ratios may be similar but Bergkamp performed in international tournaments and was the Dutch top scorer when he retired.

Cantona was brilliant for Utd but weigh up everything over their careers and it is hard for me to put Cantona above Bergkamp.

Cantona was brilliant for United so Bergkamp can go £#%&! himself.

The brilliant @#%&!.

Originally Posted by taff

watched the highlights of the liverpool-newcastle 4-3, amazing what a ridiculously open game it is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17733317

the scouse 'offside trap' on asprilla's goal

Keegan after Collymore's winner

Originally Posted by The Return of JC

Perfectly reasonable and well balanced.

Get £#%&!ed.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Keegan after Collymore's winner

Just reminded me of a category they missed - best haircuts.

Keegan's 'Lovejoy' effort has to be up there.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...Giggs-honoured

Fantasy Team - Public: Peter Schmeichel, Ashley Cole, Tony Adams, Nemanja Vidic, Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Alan Shearer

Fantasy Team - Experts: Peter Schmeichel, Ashley Cole, Tony Adams, Rio Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Roy Keane, Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Alan Shearer

the experts teams looks spot on

Originally Posted by Ginners

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...Giggs-honoured

Fantasy Team - Public: Peter Schmeichel, Ashley Cole, Tony Adams, Nemanja Vidic, Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Alan Shearer

Fantasy Team - Experts: Peter Schmeichel, Ashley Cole, Tony Adams, Rio Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Roy Keane, Cristiano Ronaldo, Thierry Henry, Alan Shearer

the experts teams looks spot on

Agreed, no Scousers

Cantona's celebration against Sunderland won best celebration...

Who £#%&!ing cares.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Who £#%&!ing cares.

Not you by the sounds of things

Nugget on Twitter;

@ruralred You telling me Ryan Giggs better than Gerrard. More success yes better footballer never