OFFICIAL:Manchester United v Southampton|Premier League|30.12.2017|17.30|BT Sports

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

Thats who we are! (We’ll we were until your man took charge)

Width, Attacking fullbacks, movement, fast thinking forwards! Take a risk, have a go. It’s what the support was brought up on, it’s what made the club one of the biggest in the world.

We’re in limbo due to two shocking management appointments and some dreadful transfer buisness. But Mou has been here 18 months and we still don’t look anywhere near what the club is about.

That's because it's not as easy as just hiring a manager and spending money. It needs a wider plan and some patience.

The football played by LvG sides throughout his career was easily as good if not better than what we were brought up on. That should have been a warning sign to you pal, but like many others you thought hounding him out would solve all our problems

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

Thats who we are! (We’ll we were until your man took charge)

Width, Attacking fullbacks, movement, fast thinking forwards! Take a risk, have a go. It’s what the support was brought up on, it’s what made the club one of the biggest in the world.

We’re in limbo due to two shocking management appointments and some dreadful transfer buisness. But Mou has been here 18 months and we still don’t look anywhere near what the club is about.

442 ffs fergie!

Originally Posted by armchair

442 ffs fergie!

Not at all. He adapted.

But he still had width, attacking full backs, took risks to win the game etc. The £#%&!ers in the board room, coaching staff need a reminder of what this club is all about.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

That's because it's not as easy as just hiring a manager and spending money. It needs a wider plan and some patience.

The football played by LvG sides throughout his career was easily as good if not better than what we were brought up on. That should have been a warning sign to you pal, but like many others you thought hounding him out would solve all our problems

Not sure how you can defend the LVG era or his ethos. It was the worst football I have seen. The whole principle being the opposition couldn't score if they didn't have the ball. I was full of hope after the World Cup & the football we played that 1st pre-season. I fully supported him that 1st season but it just got worse & worse. That 2nd season was almost too painful to watch. He spent in real terms more than Jose given the crazy increase in player values & they were way more disjointed than Jose's signings.
Whats the point of signing Depay & DiMaria when you don't want your players taking the opposition on ?

Originally Posted by Billy Redface

Hard to disagree with any of that.

Right Now, he looks like a moping manager with a moping team. Whatever he's doing, it isn't working and he's got 4 months to turn it around.

Have I missed something? Are we fighting relegation?

It’s blatently obvious this team is mentally fragile. Their confidence took a hit after the Liverpool game, and it’s taken another hit after the city game. It isn’t rocket science. And it’s no more than that.

And the sad thing is klopp kicked things off with his comments and some united fans ran with it.

If anyone is going to sort it, it’s mourinho.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

it might not even be that long.

another month or two of this sort of shit and i can see him just £#%&!ing it off.

I have no idea where that leaves us as a club.

It leaves us where much of the support deserve to be.

Originally Posted by Kangared

Not sure how you can defend the LVG era or his ethos. It was the worst football I have seen. The whole principle being the opposition couldn't score if they didn't have the ball. I was full of hope after the World Cup & the football we played that 1st pre-season. I fully supported him that 1st season but it just got worse & worse. That 2nd season was almost too painful to watch. He spent in real terms more than Jose given the crazy increase in player values & they were way more disjointed than Jose's signings.
Whats the point of signing Depay & DiMaria when you don't want your players taking the opposition on ?

Funny that Martial took players on all season.

Not going to fully get into this (deffo not at this hour ) but rather than blaming LvG for Mata, Lingard and a past-it Rooney not playing great stuff, maybe take a look across his career at the likes of Bergkamp, Kluivert, Seedorf, Figo, Rivaldo, Robben etc who all shone for him, whether they liked him or not.

There was clear improvement when Martial and Rashford got in tandem. Was worth persisting with, but by then the moaning had become habitual. Seeing a youthful United beat Arsenal, then win the derby at the Ettihad was swallowed up in resentment for the manager.

The framework was there. Mourinho was always going to destroy it. Fine if he was successful. Now it looks a waste of promise.

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

For all the talk of money spent and not, the traditions of Ferguson’s football are nowhere near this and any of the managers since he retired and that doesn’t cost a penny to put in place.

The traditions of Ferguson’s football weren’t even there when he retired.

I can’t believe how childish so many adults can be when it comes to football.

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

Thats who we are! (We’ll we were until your man took charge)

Width, Attacking fullbacks, movement, fast thinking forwards! Take a risk, have a go. It’s what the support was brought up on, it’s what made the club one of the biggest in the world.

We’re in limbo due to two shocking management appointments and some dreadful transfer buisness. But Mou has been here 18 months and we still don’t look anywhere near what the club is about.

A whole 18 months eh. What a useless @#%&!.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Funny that Martial took players on all season.

Not going to fully get into this (deffo not at this hour ) but rather than blaming LvG for Mata, Lingard and a past-it Rooney not playing great stuff, maybe take a look across his career at the likes of Bergkamp, Kluivert, Seedorf, Figo, Rivaldo, Robben etc who all shone for him, whether they liked him or not.

There was clear improvement when Martial and Rashford got in tandem. Was worth persisting with, but by then the moaning had become habitual. Seeing a youthful United beat Arsenal, then win the derby at the Ettihad was swallowed up in resentment for the manager.

The framework was there. Mourinho was always going to destroy it. Fine if he was successful. Now it looks a waste of promise.

We were his retirement fund, and his man management is shit. The players hated him. He was never going to succeed. As for rashford, a senior player told him to ignore anything van gaal told him. The whole team did for that last 6 months.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Funny that Martial took players on all season.

Not going to fully get into this (deffo not at this hour ) but rather than blaming LvG for Mata, Lingard and a past-it Rooney not playing great stuff, maybe take a look across his career at the likes of Bergkamp, Kluivert, Seedorf, Figo, Rivaldo, Robben etc who all shone for him, whether they liked him or not.

There was clear improvement when Martial and Rashford got in tandem. Was worth persisting with, but by then the moaning had become habitual. Seeing a youthful United beat Arsenal, then win the derby at the Ettihad was swallowed up in resentment for the manager.

The framework was there. Mourinho was always going to destroy it. Fine if he was successful. Now it looks a waste of promise.

Shall we make a list of the players who have shone for Jose ?
That 2nd season Utd scored 49 goals, how can you say there was clear improvement with Martial & Rashford in tandem ? That would have to be our lowest goals scored total since pre Fergie I would imagine. The resentment was because of the absolute awful football we played. We were around 18th in the league for chances created & shots on target. How can you have wanted more of that ? We were going backwards with a manager who was buying poorly.

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

Not at all. He adapted.

But he still had width, attacking full backs, took risks to win the game etc. The £#%&!ers in the board room, coaching staff need a reminder of what this club is all about.

TBF Young & Valencia are very attacking fullbacks. Jose didn't buy Darmian or Rojo.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Not going to fully get into this (deffo not at this hour ) but rather than blaming LvG for Mata, Lingard and a past-it Rooney not playing great stuff, maybe take a look across his career at the likes of Bergkamp, Kluivert, Seedorf, Figo, Rivaldo, Robben etc who all shone for him, whether they liked him or not.

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What LVG did previous to United is completely irrelevant when we have his two years at the club to judge him by. He failed. It was sad, but that's what happened. No amount of Ajax 95 is going to change that.

Similar to Mourinho's earlier successes having no relevance to the football we are seeing at the moment. Whatever he had, it isn't working now.

Something very wrong at the club. Not sure how long we can persist with the "shit@#%&!s" argument. Just look at the teams we are failing to beat.

Originally Posted by shenwen

What LVG did previous to United is completely irrelevant when we have his two years at the club to judge him by. He failed. It was sad, but that's what happened. No amount of Ajax 95 is going to change that.

Similar to Mourinho's earlier successes having no relevance to the football we are seeing at the moment. Whatever he had, it isn't working now.

Something very wrong at the club. Not sure how long we can persist with the "shit@#%&!s" argument. Just look at the teams we are failing to beat.

... and more worryingly, not only failing to beat but not trying very hard to beat

I really am beginning to wonder if the City game wasn’t so much of a demoralising defeat as the last straw with players resenting the methodology, such as it is

Dunno though ?

Originally Posted by £#%&! KFC

you don't remember right you £#%&!ing idiot

Tippest toppermost try hard top red #@&%!. Have a buckfast and tell us what’s inthe papers you gobshite.

https://twitter.com/MufcSongs/status/947134164607946752

Originally Posted by djsst

https://twitter.com/MufcSongs/status/947134164607946752

Been infested with mongs ever since Sam Platts shut, ruined what was a good pre match pub. The #@&%!s sang some really shit Van Dijk/Phil Jones song yesterday aswell. Even more than that Lingard one.

Originally Posted by dragflick

Been infested with mongs ever since Sam Platts shut, ruined what was a good pre match pub. The #@&%!s sang some really shit Van Dijk/Phil Jones song yesterday aswell. Even more than that Lingard one.

Bowling green reds

£1 keeps the scum out

Can’t wait for the club to go from Jose to Carlo. ... should be simeone silva even lucho someone with a bit of passion and can at least adapt the players to entertain .. this for me all started at Southampton away where we won 1-0 and hung on like £#%&!. Then played Liverpool and hung on again eventually his £#%&!ing let’s hang in at all costs messages has tripped into games they should be winning comfortably .. it’s so poor shoddy it’s staggering really

Originally Posted by shenwen

What LVG did previous to United is completely irrelevant when we have his two years at the club to judge him by. He failed. It was sad, but that's what happened. No amount of Ajax 95 is going to change that.

Similar to Mourinho's earlier successes having no relevance to the football we are seeing at the moment. Whatever he had, it isn't working now.

Something very wrong at the club. Not sure how long we can persist with the "shit@#%&!s" argument. Just look at the teams we are failing to beat.

It’s absolutely relevant to people believing the %@#$&!s about him not wanting anyone to do anything creative.

The fundamental failure to acknowledge what LvG was trying to do led to giving a total pass to all the players, absolving them of any responsibly. Perhaps only now may people be realising that.

Ander Herrera was billed as a great player shackled by the regime ffs

Originally Posted by puressence

Can’t wait for the club to go from Jose to Carlo. ... should be simeone silva even lucho someone with a bit of passion and can at least adapt the players to entertain .. this for me all started at Southampton away where we won 1-0 and hung on like £#%&!. Then played Liverpool and hung on again eventually his £#%&!ing let’s hang in at all costs messages has tripped into games they should be winning comfortably .. it’s so poor shoddy it’s staggering really

Lucho, pal? Enrique?

Ooooh, another thread turned into an LVG argument. Cracking.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Bowling green reds

£1 keeps the scum out

OTCC Reds, no admission fee, good cheap pint, good cheap food, big screen and a snooker table.

Barmaid is a bloo though

Has the @#%&! left yet.